From: "M. Edward (Ed) Borasky" <znmeb@...>
Date: 2007-06-21T23:04:49+09:00
Subject: Re: Ruby MVC

James Britt wrote:
> M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote:
> 
>> As an aside, while the concepts of Og are quite exciting, about the only
>> documentation I've been able to find is a couple of discussions in Hal
>> Fulton's "The Ruby Way, Second Edition." 
> 
> 
> Yes, I know.  :)
> 
> And, sadly, it's falling out of date. :(
> 
> 
>> I've gone to their web site and
>> they are certainly aware that it needs to be done, but busy users with
>> problems to solve aren't going to document their stuff for them.
> 
> True.  Recent discussion on the nitro list suggests this will be getting
> more attention.  The issue for me has been that, even when trying to
> help provide docs, the code has been evolving out from under them.  I
> think the changes have been for the better, but it makes it hard to stay
> on top of.
> 
>>
>> Is there a market for an Og/Nitro book, or is the popularity of Rails so
>> overwhelming that nobody will take the risk?
>>
> 
> I've heard some interest from publishers, at least in the idea of the
> broader topic of Web development in Ruby outside of a single, fairly
> focused, framework.  There is considerable variety in the numerous Ruby
> Web tools.
> 
> It may be chicken and egg; more documentation on Nitro would drive more
> usage, driving more demand for documentation.
> 

Actually, I am on the Nitro mailing list (and I'm not on the Rails list)
;). But Og/Nitro appeal to me because the application I have in mind is
starting from a bunch of compressed CSV files and building objects and a
database from them. It's not a conventional business application, and my
thinking is, or at least has been, ground up from the data to an MVC
application, rather than top down from business requirements to an
application.

So I am planning to start with a "bake-off" between Og and ActiveRecord
and see where that leads me. Are there other Ruby ORM tools I should be
looking at as well? The target database is PostgreSQL running on Linux
(CentOS 5 and whatever web servers and databases it has).