From: Mark T Date: 2007-03-22T09:51:26+09:00 Subject: Re: Object/Relational Mapping is the Vietnam of Computer Sci Ahhhh.... the combination of multi-values & Ruby..... (aroma of caramel...). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pick_operating_system With such a strong connection with Pick, there is an inherent binding of the language in use (Pick/nameHere/Basic). I have tried to interest the Cache Cadre of some Ruby adventures here in Sydney. Any talk of another language going anywhere near it is resisted. From http://www.intersystems.com/mv/RobertNagelReprint.pdf.. "What we have added is the ability to have MultiValue style access�opens, reads, and writes to files. So you can access your data, which is stored in our globals, using reads and writes from MV BASIC,just as you would in any PICK format.You've got an amazingly reliable storage engine underneath you that has 25 years of development underneath it, so it's got high performance, extreme reliability,..." Intersystems' "Enemble" is a "hyper-4GL" visual system building tool. Not too shabby. Very high customer satisfaction. High degree of xml use & integration. Very little recourse to the language level is necessary to produce a (basic) system. I cannot say what level of access/development is required to deliver: http://www.intersystems.com/ensemble/enterprise_benefits.html <----------------------------- The very high level of dynamic ability of Ruby may be a dis-incentive to some of these. | Markt