From: Chad Perrin <perrin@...>
Date: 2007-02-24T06:26:09+09:00
Subject: Re: Textmate on Windoze!

On Sat, Feb 24, 2007 at 06:22:32AM +0900, Gregory Seidman wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 24, 2007 at 05:47:33AM +0900, Chad Perrin wrote:
> > On Sat, Feb 24, 2007 at 05:09:04AM +0900, David Vallner wrote:
> > > Chad Perrin wrote:
> > > > Actually, using Qt 4 might be a good way to keep me from trying it out,
> > > > especially since Qt generally means "plus thirty KDE libraries".
> > > 
> > > . o 0 (Huh?)
> > > 
> > > KDE depends on Qt. This is ostensibly not the case the other way around,
> > > Qt being a separate product predating KDE by five years. It is
> > > alltogether feasible to make Qt-based non-KDE applications. (As I do so
> > > using PyQt4 whenever I need a quick GUI hack.)
> > 
> > The "ostensibly" bit is the important part of your statement: yes, it's
> > entirely possible to write Qt applications without KDE libraries, but so
> > rare as to be thoroughly remarkable -- especially since I haven't seen a
> > credible app yet that uses Qt but not KDE libraries.  The potential for
> > an exception is the reason I said that Qt "generall means", not "always
> > means".
> 
> I've written several Qt apps and never used a KDE library. Many commercial
> products (e.g. Opera) are written with Qt alone and no KDE. I don't
> think there would be any significant value in the KDE libraries for
> implementing Textmate on Qt (unless they wanted to make it embeddable as a
> KPart, which would be cool but probably not worth the trouble or KDE
> dependency).

You're in a minority, then, in my experience.  Also . . . since I don't
use much proprietary software, and you apparently do, your experience is
likely to differ from mine.


> 
> > > (Were I feeling risky, I'd tell you to get your facts right before
> > > trolling.)
> > 
> > Good thing you weren't feeling that way, then.
> 
> I'm tempted, but I'll resist. While the majority of open source apps that
> use Qt do so through KDE, the same is not true for commercial apps. Your
> statement that "Qt generally means 'plus thirty KDE libraries'" is, at
> best, only applicable to open source Qt apps, which makes it irrelevant to
> the discussion of Textmate. At worst it is actual trolling.

Considering that, like E-TextEditor, a Linux/BSD version would probably
not be an actual port of TextMate, I doubt the fact that TextMate is a
commercial app would be particularly limiting in determining what
libraries would be used for such a unixy clone of the software.

Considering that you're so quick to leap to judgment about trolling, you
sound a bit like a troll yourself.

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"A script is what you give the actors.  A program
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