[#237140] Counting Toothpicks (#111) — Ruby Quiz <james@...>

I think this was a pretty challenging quiz. I've played around with many of the

14 messages 2007/02/01

[#237235] halving a string — "Chris Shea" <cmshea@...>

I have a vacuum fluorescent display in my office, and I've been

22 messages 2007/02/02

[#237266] String Equations (#112) — Ruby Quiz <james@...>

The three rules of Ruby Quiz:

20 messages 2007/02/02

[#237290] Beginner questions: sorting csv files — Michael Sc <michael.schatzow@...>

Hello,

16 messages 2007/02/02

[#237377] Using fork to conserve memory — Daniel DeLorme <dan-ml@...42.com>

Lately I've been bothered by the large start-up time and memory consumption of

21 messages 2007/02/03

[#237380] Inheriting from Fixnum — "gga" <GGarramuno@...>

Now... this should be simple, but, alas, it is not.

16 messages 2007/02/03
[#237389] Re: Inheriting from Fixnum — Robert Klemme <shortcutter@...> 2007/02/03

On 03.02.2007 09:07, gga wrote:

[#237430] Hash#rekey — "Trans" <transfire@...>

There are a few facets (ie. extensions) I find myself using often. One

19 messages 2007/02/03
[#237451] Re: Hash#rekey — gwtmp01@... 2007/02/03

[#237456] Re: Hash#rekey — "Trans" <transfire@...> 2007/02/03

[#237500] Proc vs lambda vs proc — "Minkoo Seo" <minkoo.seo@...>

Hi group(and probably ruby-talk list - is it running btw?).

20 messages 2007/02/04

[#237543] call to arms: list readers — "Alex Combas" <alex.combas@...>

Custom Search Engine for Ruby http://rubykitchensink.ca

15 messages 2007/02/04

[#237644] Ajax woes — Patrick Spence <patrick@...>

The C# web app we are automating for QA testing has been recently

21 messages 2007/02/05
[#237645] Re: Ajax woes — "Jason Roelofs" <jameskilton@...> 2007/02/05

There is a method on @@ie (i'm assuming Watir usage here) called something

[#237699] - PathEditor 1.0.0 - A command line utility for managing your Window's Path — "Justin Bailey" <jgbailey@...>

What it is

10 messages 2007/02/05
[#237738] Re: - PathEditor 1.0.0 - A command line utility for managing your Window's Path — "bbiker" <renard@...> 2007/02/06

On Feb 5, 5:17 pm, "Justin Bailey" <jgbai...@gmail.com> wrote:

[#237726] Ruby Newbie Advice. — "Samantha" <rubygeekgirl@...>

Hello all.

40 messages 2007/02/06
[#237740] Re: Ruby Newbie Advice. — "Jeff Barczewski" <jeff.barczewski@...> 2007/02/06

On 2/5/07, Samantha <rubygeekgirl@gmail.com> wrote:

[#237741] Re: Ruby Newbie Advice. — Samantha <rubygeekgirl@...> 2007/02/06

On 2/5/07, Jeff Barczewski <jeff.barczewski@gmail.com> wrote:

[#237752] How do you get the rows out of FasterCSV? — Gary <gb3xct@...>

Hi. I want to add a normalized column to a csv file. That is, I want to

12 messages 2007/02/06

[#237799] Parse csv similar file — "Rebhan, Gilbert" <Gilbert.Rebhan@...>

17 messages 2007/02/06

[#237827] Linux OS — "Luke Ivers" <technodolt@...>

I'm building a Linux VM inside of my Windows box so I can experiment with

24 messages 2007/02/06

[#237877] Best way to do dynamic mixin or dynamic include? (Mixin module name is defined and included at runtime) — "Jeff Barczewski" <jeff.barczewski@...>

I am searching for the best way to do a dynamic mixin with Ruby.

10 messages 2007/02/06

[#237920] Comment for partial line — Xia __ <rebeccacannon@...>

Hi

13 messages 2007/02/07

[#237942] RubyScript2EXE Not Functioning — Richard Manning <mithrandirmage@...>

I've just downloaded Erik Veenstra's RubyScript2EXE, but it does not

14 messages 2007/02/07
[#238023] Re: RubyScript2EXE Not Functioning — "Erik Veenstra" <erikveen@...> 2007/02/07

Please cat your hello-world.rb.

[#238038] TupleSpace performance (TupleBag really) — "Mark Alexander Friedgan" <hubrix@...>

We've been struggling with this problem for months. We use TupleSpace to

14 messages 2007/02/07

[#238061] Adding Math.log2 and Math.logn to the core library. — "Phrogz" <gavin@...>

In a world of humans and finance, it's quite common to need base-10

10 messages 2007/02/07

[#238188] SimpleHTTP initial release — "Tim Becker" <a2800276@...>

I just got through putting together a little wrapper around Net:Http

16 messages 2007/02/08

[#238225] Help optimizing — Luke Ivers <lukeivers@...>

I'm going to cross-post this from the Rails group, because some of the

13 messages 2007/02/08

[#238242] Your favorite bit of ruby code? — "Carl Lerche" <carl.lerche@...>

Hello,

36 messages 2007/02/08

[#238271] Iterators and blocks question — Bharat Ruparel <bruparel@...>

I am new to ruby and am trying to learn my way around it. I saw the

14 messages 2007/02/08

[#238273] How to "pass" the current binding's block to some other method? — "Lyle Johnson" <lyle.johnson@...>

Suppose I have a method that will yield to a block if one is given:

12 messages 2007/02/08
[#238275] Re: How to "pass" the current binding's block to some other method? — "Phrogz" <gavin@...> 2007/02/08

On Feb 8, 3:52 pm, "Lyle Johnson" <lyle.john...@gmail.com> wrote:

[#238413] One-Liners (#113) — Ruby Quiz <james@...>

The three rules of Ruby Quiz:

46 messages 2007/02/09
[#238692] Re: [QUIZ] One-Liners (#113) — Alex Young <alex@...> 2007/02/11

My solutions. Be gentle, this is my first quiz :-) I haven't checked

[#238726] Re: One-Liners (#113) — "Phrogz" <gavin@...> 2007/02/12

On Feb 11, 4:40 pm, Alex Young <a...@blackkettle.org> wrote:

[#238459] Jumping to "the next one" in something#each — "Garance A Drosehn" <drosihn@...>

I'm sorry that this message will be long and somewhat rambling,

14 messages 2007/02/09

[#238500] the funniest thing ever — ara.t.howard@...

24 messages 2007/02/10
[#238502] Re: [OT] the funniest thing ever — Morton Goldberg <m_goldberg@...> 2007/02/10

On Feb 10, 2007, at 1:13 AM, ara.t.howard@noaa.gov wrote:

[#238802] Re: [OT] the funniest thing ever — David Morton <mortonda@...> 2007/02/12

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[#238821] Re: [OT] the funniest thing ever — "Richard Conroy" <richard.conroy@...> 2007/02/12

On 2/12/07, David Morton <mortonda@dgrmm.net> wrote:

[#238919] Re: [OT] the funniest thing ever — Clifford Heath <no@...> 2007/02/13

Richard Conroy wrote:

[#238539] tr does not work with non-english chars — "J. mp" <joaomiguel.pereira@...>

Hi,

10 messages 2007/02/10
[#238548] Re: tr does not work with non-english chars — "Robert Dober" <robert.dober@...> 2007/02/10

On 2/10/07, J. mp <joaomiguel.pereira@gmail.com> wrote:

[#238551] Re: tr does not work with non-english chars — "J. mp" <joaomiguel.pereira@...> 2007/02/10

Robert Dober wrote:

[#238584] Windows and Ruby - Not very good friends? — Bharat Ruparel <bruparel@...>

I am new to Ruby and RoR, so pardon me if I ask naive questions.

14 messages 2007/02/11

[#238613] Getting my sister to learn programming — SonOfLilit <sonoflilit@...>

Hello fellow Rubyists,

39 messages 2007/02/11
[#238619] Re: Getting my sister to learn programming — "Mushfeq Khan" <mushfeq.khan@...> 2007/02/11

>

[#238620] Re: Getting my sister to learn programming — SonOfLilit <sonoflilit@...> 2007/02/11

Yes, but I want to teach her an environment where if she comes to me and

[#238616] One-Liners (#113) — "Phrogz" <gavin@...>

Here are my solutions to Quiz #113. For some of them I just couldn't

18 messages 2007/02/11

[#238655] What's the correct and fast way to determine if a (gig) number is a perfect square? — "Sam Kong" <sam.s.kong@...>

Hello,

11 messages 2007/02/11

[#238681] Regular expressions — "J. mp" <joaomiguel.pereira@...>

Hi folks,

19 messages 2007/02/11
[#238683] Re: Regular expressions — Vincent Fourmond <vincent.fourmond@9online.fr> 2007/02/11

J. mp wrote:

[#238685] Re: Regular expressions — "J. mp" <joaomiguel.pereira@...> 2007/02/11

Vincent Fourmond wrote:

[#238706] using YAML as config — Larry Edelstein <ribs@...>

Hi all -

14 messages 2007/02/12
[#238715] Re: using YAML as config — Joel VanderWerf <vjoel@...> 2007/02/12

Larry Edelstein wrote:

[#239007] Puzzling regex behaviour — Ian Macdonald <ian@...>

Hello,

24 messages 2007/02/13
[#239030] Re: Puzzling regex behaviour — Robert Klemme <shortcutter@...> 2007/02/13

On 13.02.2007 21:19, Ian Macdonald wrote:

[#239035] Re: Puzzling regex behaviour — Ian Macdonald <ian@...> 2007/02/13

On Wed 14 Feb 2007 at 06:45:08 +0900, Robert Klemme wrote:

[#239048] Re: Puzzling regex behaviour — "David Balmain" <dbalmain.ml@...> 2007/02/13

On 2/14/07, Ian Macdonald <ian@caliban.org> wrote:

[#239052] Re: Puzzling regex behaviour — "David Balmain" <dbalmain.ml@...> 2007/02/13

On 2/14/07, David Balmain <dbalmain.ml@gmail.com> wrote:

[#239056] Re: Puzzling regex behaviour — Ian Macdonald <ian@...> 2007/02/13

On Wed 14 Feb 2007 at 08:01:15 +0900, David Balmain wrote:

[#239057] Re: Puzzling regex behaviour — Ian Macdonald <ian@...> 2007/02/13

On Wed 14 Feb 2007 at 08:43:06 +0900, Ian Macdonald wrote:

[#239058] Re: Puzzling regex behaviour — "David Balmain" <dbalmain.ml@...> 2007/02/14

On 2/14/07, Ian Macdonald <ian@caliban.org> wrote:

[#239059] Re: Puzzling regex behaviour — Ian Macdonald <ian@...> 2007/02/14

On Wed 14 Feb 2007 at 09:08:17 +0900, David Balmain wrote:

[#239040] Converting class_for to a C extension — "Daniel Berger" <djberg96@...>

Hi all,

12 messages 2007/02/13

[#239079] Where do you use Ruby? — "Pål Bergström" <pal@...>

As I get myself more and more into Rails, and Ruby, I wonder in what

20 messages 2007/02/14
[#239084] Re: Where do you use Ruby? — Suraj Kurapati <snk@...> 2007/02/14

P奪l Bergstr旦m wrote:

[#239173] Adopt-a-newbie? Based on actual experience. — SonOfLilit <sonoflilit@...>

Hello all,

90 messages 2007/02/14
[#239181] Re: Adopt-a-newbie? Based on actual experience. — Logan Capaldo <logancapaldo@...> 2007/02/14

On Thu, Feb 15, 2007 at 05:03:16AM +0900, SonOfLilit wrote:

[#239183] Re: Adopt-a-newbie? Based on actual experience. — SonOfLilit <sonoflilit@...> 2007/02/14

Well, to potential adoptees we can only offer the service...

[#239199] Re: Adopt-a-newbie? Based on actual experience. — SonOfLilit <sonoflilit@...> 2007/02/14

Well, until further notice (and please read this thread to the end to check

[#239227] Re: Adopt-a-newbie? Based on actual experience. — Jim Clark <diegoslice@...> 2007/02/14

[#239531] Re: Adopt-a-newbie? Based on actual experience. — "Eivind Eklund" <eeklund@...> 2007/02/16

On 2/14/07, SonOfLilit <sonoflilit@gmail.com> wrote:

[#239897] Re: Adopt-a-newbie? Based on actual experience. — Mark Woodward <markonlinux@...> 2007/02/19

On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 05:20:07 +0900, Logan Capaldo wrote:

[#239906] Re: Adopt-a-newbie? Based on actual experience. — Chad Perrin <perrin@...> 2007/02/19

On Mon, Feb 19, 2007 at 08:25:11PM +0900, Mark Woodward wrote:

[#239909] Re: Adopt-a-newbie? Based on actual experience. — SonOfLilit <sonoflilit@...> 2007/02/19

On 2/19/07, Chad Perrin <perrin@apotheon.com> wrote:

[#239913] Re: Adopt-a-newbie? Based on actual experience. — SonOfLilit <sonoflilit@...> 2007/02/19

http://rubymentor.rubyforge.org/wiki/wiki.pl?AurSarafAndSamantha

[#239927] Re: Adopt-a-newbie? Based on actual experience. — Derek Teixeira <derek.teixeira@...> 2007/02/19

So in order to get set up with someone to help you ... message

[#239935] Re: Adopt-a-newbie? Based on actual experience. — SonOfLilit <sonoflilit@...> 2007/02/19

No. To set up with someone, go to the wiki, find someone that seems

[#239957] Re: Adopt-a-newbie? Based on actual experience. — nodenator@... 2007/02/19

I happen to be fairly new to ruby, and I think the idea of having a

[#239961] Re: Adopt-a-newbie? Based on actual experience. — SonOfLilit <sonoflilit@...> 2007/02/19

Like to see it done? Do it!

[#239339] is it behaving strange ? — "sur max" <sur.max@...>

*a = 9 # => [9]

28 messages 2007/02/15
[#239341] Re: is it behaving strange ? — hemant <gethemant@...> 2007/02/15

On 2/15/07, sur max <sur.max@gmail.com> wrote:

[#239345] Re: is it behaving strange ? — dblack@... 2007/02/15

Hi --

[#239369] Re: is it behaving strange ? — "Robert Dober" <robert.dober@...> 2007/02/15

On 2/15/07, dblack@wobblini.net <dblack@wobblini.net> wrote:

[#239373] Re: is it behaving strange ? — "sur max" <sur.max@...> 2007/02/15

def a *args

[#239377] Re: is it behaving strange ? — "Jacob Fugal" <lukfugl@...> 2007/02/15

On 2/15/07, sur max <sur.max@gmail.com> wrote:

[#239382] Best way to skip tests — "Daniel Berger" <djberg96@...>

Hi all,

18 messages 2007/02/15

[#239426] Oppinions on RCR for dup on immutable classes — Stefan Rusterholz <apeiros@...>

I'm about to make this RCR and would like to get some oppinions on it in

75 messages 2007/02/15
[#239427] Re: Oppinions on RCR for dup on immutable classes — "Phrogz" <gavin@...> 2007/02/15

On Feb 15, 4:46 pm, Stefan Rusterholz <apei...@gmx.net> wrote:

[#239463] Re: Oppinions on RCR for dup on immutable classes — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2007/02/16

Hi,

[#239541] Re: Oppinions on RCR for dup on immutable classes — Stefan Rusterholz <apeiros@...> 2007/02/16

Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#239558] Re: Oppinions on RCR for dup on immutable classes — "Gregory Brown" <gregory.t.brown@...> 2007/02/16

On 2/16/07, Stefan Rusterholz <apeiros@gmx.net> wrote:

[#239662] Re: Oppinions on RCR for dup on immutable classes — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2007/02/17

Hi,

[#239663] Re: Oppinions on RCR for dup on immutable classes — Stefan Rusterholz <apeiros@...> 2007/02/17

Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#239665] Re: Oppinions on RCR for dup on immutable classes — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2007/02/17

Hi,

[#239674] Re: Oppinions on RCR for dup on immutable classes — "Dean Wampler" <deanwampler@...> 2007/02/17

On 2/17/07, Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@ruby-lang.org> wrote:

[#239690] Re: Oppinions on RCR for dup on immutable classes — "Robert Dober" <robert.dober@...> 2007/02/17

On 2/17/07, Dean Wampler <deanwampler@gmail.com> wrote:

[#239716] Re: Oppinions on RCR for dup on immutable classes — "Dean Wampler" <deanwampler@...> 2007/02/17

> ...

[#239487] class design issues — Spitfire <timid.gentoo@...>

I have a class which takes an input and produces an object. Let's

15 messages 2007/02/16

[#239542] Housie (#114) — Ruby Quiz <james@...>

The three rules of Ruby Quiz:

25 messages 2007/02/16

[#239631] Passing a block into a class_eval — Clifford Heath <no@...>

Here's a function similar to attr_accessor, except it takes a block,

15 messages 2007/02/17
[#239632] Re: Passing a block into a class_eval — "Austin Ziegler" <halostatue@...> 2007/02/17

On 2/16/07, Clifford Heath <no@spam.please.net> wrote:

[#239738] More flexible inheritance — "Trans" <transfire@...>

A notion came to me yesterday with regards to how we extend classes.

18 messages 2007/02/18

[#239764] Re : [ANN] One-Click Ruby Installer 1.8.5-23 released — Ruby Admirer <ruby_admirer@...>

Curt,

11 messages 2007/02/18

[#239807] Doc to PDF/HTML converter plugins available in Ruby? — "Invincible Code" <invincible.coder@...>

Hi,

15 messages 2007/02/18
[#239810] Re: Doc to PDF/HTML converter plugins available in Ruby? — "Jason Mayer" <slamboy@...> 2007/02/18

On 2/18/07, Invincible Code <invincible.coder@gmail.com> wrote:

[#239811] Re: Doc to PDF/HTML converter plugins available in Ruby? — "Invincible Code" <invincible.coder@...> 2007/02/18

Hi Jason,

[#239812] Re: Doc to PDF/HTML converter plugins available in Ruby? — "Jason Mayer" <slamboy@...> 2007/02/18

On 2/18/07, Invincible Code <invincible.coder@gmail.com> wrote:

[#239814] Re: Doc to PDF/HTML converter plugins available in Ruby? — "Jason Mayer" <slamboy@...> 2007/02/18

On 2/18/07, Jason Mayer <slamboy@gmail.com> wrote:

[#239816] Re: Doc to PDF/HTML converter plugins available in Ruby? — "Jason Mayer" <slamboy@...> 2007/02/18

On 2/18/07, Jason Mayer <slamboy@gmail.com> wrote:

[#239876] For loops don't count down — Michael Brooks <michael.brooks@...>

Hello:

25 messages 2007/02/19
[#239879] Re: For loops don't count down — "Michael Fellinger" <m.fellinger@...> 2007/02/19

On 2/19/07, Michael Brooks <michael.brooks@shaw.ca> wrote:

[#239901] Re: For loops don't count down — "David Vallner" <david@...> 2007/02/19

On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 07:28:36 +0100, Michael Fellinger

[#239902] Re: For loops don't count down — "Robert Dober" <robert.dober@...> 2007/02/19

On 2/19/07, David Vallner <david@vallner.net> wrote:

[#239917] Re: For loops don't count down — SonOfLilit <sonoflilit@...> 2007/02/19

Numeric#step counts down:

[#239919] Re: For loops don't count down — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2007/02/19

Hi,

[#239962] Re: For loops don't count down — Daniel Schierbeck <daniel.schierbeck@...> 2007/02/19

On Mon, 2007-02-19 at 22:38 +0900, Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#239887] The peak of the iceberg, was Range cannot loop down and RCR Integer#pred — "Robert Dober" <robert.dober@...>

Hi all

10 messages 2007/02/19
[#239964] Re: The peak of the iceberg, was Range cannot loop down and RCR Integer#pred — Daniel Schierbeck <daniel.schierbeck@...> 2007/02/19

On Mon, 2007-02-19 at 18:14 +0900, Robert Dober wrote:

[#239908] return statement — Derek Teixeira <derek.teixeira@...>

i've been getting confused about what exactly the return statement

16 messages 2007/02/19

[#239963] Assertions Testing in irb — Bharat Ruparel <bruparel@...>

I am working through the Everyday Scripting With Ruby book and am trying

19 messages 2007/02/19
[#239965] Re: Assertions Testing in irb — "Austin Ziegler" <halostatue@...> 2007/02/19

On 2/19/07, Bharat Ruparel <bruparel@mercury.com> wrote:

[#239971] Re: Assertions Testing in irb — Bharat Ruparel <bruparel@...> 2007/02/19

Hello Austin,

[#240035] Deconstructor to close file — "Raymond O'connor" <nappin713@...>

I'm trying to write a logger class. I open the file in the initialize

12 messages 2007/02/19

[#240041] Range#overlap? — Daniel Schierbeck <daniel.schierbeck@...>

(I'm sending this to the list because I think it has general interest.

22 messages 2007/02/20
[#240060] Re: [Facets] Range#overlap? — danfinnie@... 2007/02/20

I think that overlap? and within? are two different things, which I'm not sure you think from your email. Overlap? suggests, to me, that a subset of the things one range includes is the same as a subset of things that the other range includes. Within? suggests that all of one range is contained in a subset of the other range.

[#240115] Re: [Facets] Range#overlap? — Daniel Schierbeck <daniel.schierbeck@...> 2007/02/20

On Tue, 2007-02-20 at 10:56 +0900, danfinnie@optonline.net wrote:

[#240125] Re: [Facets] Range#overlap? — Daniel Finnie <danfinnie@...> 2007/02/20

That seems to be what facet/range/within does now.

[#240092] Help with Class design — Chris Lowis <chris.lowis@...>

I'm quite new to object-orientated programming and have a problem with a

15 messages 2007/02/20

[#240294] Komodo is the IDE for Ruby and Ruby on Rails! — "zoat" <enogrob@...>

The new Komodo IDE 4.0 is the first unified workspace for end-to-end

22 messages 2007/02/21
[#240388] Re: Komodo is the IDE for Ruby and Ruby on Rails! — "Griff" <grettke@...> 2007/02/22

I bought it, too. It is pretty nice.

[#240539] Rant abouts IDE's — Servando Garcia <garcia.servando@...> 2007/02/23

[#240459] Ruby's "case" doesn't behave like a normal switch — Guillaume Nargeot <guillaume.nargeotDONOTFUCKINGSPAM@...>

The problem with ruby is that you can't use a switch as it behaves with many

17 messages 2007/02/23

[#240474] Textmate on Windoze! — "William Smith" <wbsmith83@...>

http://www.e-texteditor.com/index.html

44 messages 2007/02/23
[#240496] Re: Textmate on Windoze! — Chad Perrin <perrin@...> 2007/02/23

On Fri, Feb 23, 2007 at 01:36:09PM +0900, William Smith wrote:

[#240578] Re: Textmate on Windoze! — Jonas Hartmann <Mail@...> 2007/02/23

Chad Perrin wrote:

[#240601] Re: Textmate on Windoze! — Chad Perrin <perrin@...> 2007/02/23

On Sat, Feb 24, 2007 at 01:30:06AM +0900, Jonas Hartmann wrote:

[#240613] Re: Textmate on Windoze! — David Vallner <david@...> 2007/02/23

Chad Perrin wrote:

[#240618] Re: Textmate on Windoze! — Chad Perrin <perrin@...> 2007/02/23

On Sat, Feb 24, 2007 at 05:09:04AM +0900, David Vallner wrote:

[#240779] extract a random number of items from an array — Josselin <josselin@...>

given an array of values, how should I extract an random number of these values

13 messages 2007/02/25

[#240888] Subclassing Array — El Gato <wmwilson01@...>

I'm sure I'm just being an idiot here... my mind is a little foggy this

15 messages 2007/02/26

[#240902] Installing Ruby, Sqlite3, Sqlite3-Ruby on Cygwin — Ruby Admirer <ruby_admirer@...>

Hi,

16 messages 2007/02/26

[#241007] PlanMachine9 - any interest? — "Phrogz" <gavin@...>

In my spare time I created a library in Ruby that mimics something I

25 messages 2007/02/27
[#241011] Re: PlanMachine9 - any interest? — Logan Capaldo <logancapaldo@...> 2007/02/27

On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 07:30:05AM +0900, Phrogz wrote:

[#241015] Re: PlanMachine9 - any interest? — Chad Perrin <perrin@...> 2007/02/27

On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 07:47:46AM +0900, Logan Capaldo wrote:

[#241017] Re: PlanMachine9 - any interest? — "Phrogz" <gavin@...> 2007/02/27

On Feb 27, 4:04 pm, Chad Perrin <per...@apotheon.com> wrote:

[#241020] Re: PlanMachine9 - any interest? — Chad Perrin <perrin@...> 2007/02/27

On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 08:10:12AM +0900, Phrogz wrote:

[#241027] Re: PlanMachine9 - any interest? — "Glen Holcomb" <damnbigman@...> 2007/02/27

Or Plan10 depending on how you want to pun it.

[#241028] Re: PlanMachine9 - any interest? — Chad Perrin <perrin@...> 2007/02/27

On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 08:34:39AM +0900, Glen Holcomb wrote:

[#241062] Re: PlanMachine9 - any interest? — Robert Klemme <shortcutter@...> 2007/02/28

On 28.02.2007 00:38, Chad Perrin wrote:

[#241112] Stepping out on a Limb - some very ugly code — Samantha <rubygeekgirl@...>

Hi all,

23 messages 2007/02/28
[#241125] Re: Stepping out on a Limb - some very ugly code — Sebastian Hungerecker <sepp2k@...> 2007/02/28

Am Mittwoch, 28. Februar 2007 18:56:25 schrieb Samantha:

[#241128] Re: Stepping out on a Limb - some very ugly code — Samantha <rubygeekgirl@...> 2007/02/28

On 2/28/07, Sebastian Hungerecker <sepp2k@googlemail.com> wrote:

[#241134] Re: Stepping out on a Limb - some very ugly code — Samantha <rubygeekgirl@...> 2007/02/28

On 2/28/07, Samantha <rubygeekgirl@gmail.com> wrote:

[#241138] Re: Stepping out on a Limb - some very ugly code — Sebastian Hungerecker <sepp2k@...> 2007/02/28

Am Mittwoch, 28. Februar 2007 20:52:44 schrieb Samantha:

[#241141] Re: Stepping out on a Limb - some very ugly code — Samantha <rubygeekgirl@...> 2007/02/28

On 2/28/07, Sebastian Hungerecker <sepp2k@googlemail.com> wrote:

[#241155] nmap-0.1.0 (narray + mmap = persistant grids) — "Ara.T.Howard" <ara.t.howard@...>

20 messages 2007/02/28
[#241160] Re: [ANN] nmap-0.1.0 (narray + mmap = persistant grids) — Joel VanderWerf <vjoel@...> 2007/02/28

Ara.T.Howard wrote:

[#241173] Re: [ANN] nmap-0.1.0 (narray + mmap = persistant grids) — ara.t.howard@... 2007/02/28

On Thu, 1 Mar 2007, Joel VanderWerf wrote:

[#241176] Re: [ANN] nmap-0.1.0 (narray + mmap = persistant grids) — "William Smith" <wbsmith83@...> 2007/02/28

memray?

[#241216] Re: [ANN] nmap-0.1.0 (narray + mmap = persistant grids) — ara.t.howard@... 2007/03/01

On Thu, 1 Mar 2007, William Smith wrote:

[#241159] Can't login to Rubyforge, just says "cookies must be enabled" — "Farrel Lifson" <farrel.lifson@...>

I registered a new account on Rubyforge but can't seem to login. After

27 messages 2007/02/28
[#241260] Re: Can't login to Rubyforge, just says "cookies must be enabled" — Tom Copeland <tom@...> 2007/03/01

On Thu, 2007-03-01 at 07:15 +0900, Farrel Lifson wrote:

[#241305] Re: Can't login to Rubyforge, just says "cookies must be enabled" — "Farrel Lifson" <farrel.lifson@...> 2007/03/01

> Hi Farrel -

[#241317] Re: Can't login to Rubyforge, just says "cookies must be enabled" — Samantha <rubygeekgirl@...> 2007/03/01

On 3/1/07, Farrel Lifson <farrel.lifson@gmail.com> wrote:

[#241320] Re: Can't login to Rubyforge, just says "cookies must be enabled" — "Farrel Lifson" <farrel.lifson@...> 2007/03/01

On 01/03/07, Samantha <rubygeekgirl@gmail.com> wrote:

[#241323] Re: Can't login to Rubyforge, just says "cookies must be enabled" — "Farrel Lifson" <farrel.lifson@...> 2007/03/01

On 01/03/07, Farrel Lifson <farrel.lifson@gmail.com> wrote:

[#241345] Re: Can't login to Rubyforge, just says "cookies must be enabled" — Chad Perrin <perrin@...> 2007/03/01

On Fri, Mar 02, 2007 at 04:36:40AM +0900, Farrel Lifson wrote:

[#241352] Re: Can't login to Rubyforge, just says "cookies must be enabled" — "Tom Copeland" <tom@...> 2007/03/01

> > >I've only got Gecko based browsers on my machine (Firefox, Mozilla

[#241378] Re: Can't login to Rubyforge, just says "cookies must be enabled" — Chad Perrin <perrin@...> 2007/03/01

On Fri, Mar 02, 2007 at 06:59:47AM +0900, Tom Copeland wrote:

[#241382] Re: Can't login to Rubyforge, just says "cookies must be enabled" — Samantha <rubygeekgirl@...> 2007/03/01

I emailed with him a few times offlist... He's in Gentoo in the GNOME

[#241385] Re: Can't login to Rubyforge, just says "cookies must be enabled" — Chad Perrin <perrin@...> 2007/03/02

On Fri, Mar 02, 2007 at 08:58:24AM +0900, Samantha wrote:

Getting my sister to learn programming

From: SonOfLilit <sonoflilit@...>
Date: 2007-02-11 12:56:25 UTC
List: ruby-talk #238613
Hello fellow Rubyists,

I've just come back from a trip home* and was surprised to find my sister
very enthusiastic about programming and wanting to continue our lessons.

* Yes, a trip home. I spend most of my life in the dorms of the Israeli
Institute of Technology (BTW, I've heard of other Rubyists there. Would a
RUG be appropriate?)

To those not familiar with the story (previously discussed here), I've tried
teaching my 13-year-old sister programming more than twice. At first, I used
C and tried to get her to create text adventure games as a way to interest
her. It simply didn't work.
Her English isn't perfect and combined with the C syntax and extra commands
needed to invoke an editor, gcc and the program, it was too much for her to
remember at once and she just didn't like it.


After two or three times I gave up, but lately I gave it one more try, this
time not touching a computer:

  I took a sheet of A4 squared paper and an orange pen (and a ruler,
although I later found no use for it) and taught her turtle graphics in
HEBREW, serving myself as a substitute for an interpreter.
  It took about half an hour for her to grasp variables, loops and control
structures.
  We started to talk about programming theory, now that she had enough
theory, and I was amazed to hear her suggesting the abstraction of
functions.

She had to sleep and I had to leave.

A month later, I come back home and find her enthusiastic to learn more.

But now I'm confused over my head with the dilemma of what to teach her
next:

  * C has proven to be a no-go, although it's what I myself wish I'd have
learned first.
  * Pascal, C++/Java are crossed out for personal opinion.
  * Lisp would be a great environment in which to build on the idea of
functions as the universal abstraction (and a very very simple syntax is a
huge pro), but reverse-polish is yet one more thing to confuse her with, and
I'm not sure what environment to use within Lisp (some GUI library? a
turtle-graphics environment? pure text?) and what libraries exist to support
these in ways that would be easy for her to learn.
  * Squeak seems like a really great thing to teach, and Smalltalk a great
language (simple syntax and ideas), but I can't seem to do useful things in
Squeak myself (perhaps I didn't find the good resources? If so, could
someone point me to them?)
  * Other languages people seem to love and I don't know might include one
more befitting (perhaps Haskell? ML?)
  * I can't find any advantage to Python over Ruby
  * I'm considering LOGO, esp. after browsing through this text:
http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~bh/v1-toc2.html
    My only problem is with interaction-with-the-outside-world.
  * I love Ruby and it is the language I would LIKE to teach, but I have a
few doubts:
     > Discoverability would be greatly diminished by her beginners' English
     > Ruby has a LOT of syntax, which would confuse her
     > Lisp and Smalltalk have very simple models underlying code
interpretation, which make it very easy to grasp how programs are executed.
Lisp has the same model I've already explained to her, and Smalltalk's would
be really simple to explain. Ruby has a very complicated model (well,
everything is an object or a message, but each certain thing maps to an
object or a message in a different way to make it the most convenient to
use.More to the point, not everything LOOKS like an object or a message, and
most things are intentionally disguised to look more like Algol. M-Exps,
anyone? :P ) that it would be REALLY hard for me to explain to her. Thus,
I'm afraid, I won't be able to teach her ALL of Ruby (e.g. how to
metaprogram, how to read code that uses metaprogramming) and she will be
left knowing only half a language (When I learned Ruby I've had familiarity
with how computers execute code on all levels, and thus intuitively
understanding how ruby code is interpreted was simple, but when I think
about it, it's very complicated for someone who isn't used to think like a
computer)
    > Ruby culture, I think, is a lot about making things a programmer
already knows easier to use (e.g. _why's Camping or Rails, both of which let
you write Ruby code that translates almost linearly to many other languages
and protocols used in Web Development)

I'm posting this to the Ruby list, of all lists, for a few reasons:
 * I really hope to get responses that convince me to use Ruby
 * Ruby guys know their stuff and aren't too religious
 * I just like this list
 * This can spawn an interesting discussion on teaching programming to
beginners, esp. those who aren't fluent in English

So, what do you think? What language should I teach her, and what should I
teach her to do with it first?

I guess I should state my intentions first, so here they are:
 * I want it to always stay interesting and intellectually stimulating for
her. I want her to want to discover new things and be able to (this also
speaks of documentation. QBASIC, my first language, had the best
documentation-in-IDE I've ever used, since it was so small and F1 would get
you to what you wanted, always, with examples. But QBASIC had an advantage
that what I teach will not have: it didn't need to interact with the outside
world)
 * I want her to be able to continue on her own as quick as possible
 * I want her to emphasize on abstraction as a means of solving problems
 * I want her to be able to interact with the outside world

Can't wait to hear back,

Aur Saraf

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