From: Robert Dober <robert.dober@...>
Date: 2007-01-28T04:02:40+09:00
Subject: Re: pass by reference?

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On 1/27/07, dblack@wobblini.net <dblack@wobblini.net> wrote:
>
> Hi--
>
> On Sun, 28 Jan 2007, Wolfgang N=E1dasi-Donner wrote:
>
> > dblack@wobblini.net schrieb:
> >
> >> Right -- I take that as the starting point -- but what I mean is that
> >> the way the assignment/rebinding semantics work doesn't necessarily
> >> pertain to the reference/value question.
> >
> > I agree. reference/value came from the world before talking about
> objects. I
> > remember in Algol60 somehow the wording "after 'integer i;' the variabl=
e
> 'i
> > IS an integer".
> >
> > We would never say that after writing "s =3D 'A Ruby String object'" th=
e
> > variable 's' IS a String object - it gives a name for a special String
> > object, or references a special String object (see 1).
>
> There's also the distinction between references and immediate
> values... though as Robert K. said, most of the differences are
> hidden from the programmer (like, there's no extra level of
> indirection you have to explicitly do).
>
> > Wolfgang N=E1dasi-Donner
> >
> > (1): This wording is is used from a German, who tries to find out the
> best
> > English word for what in German will be called "benennt", or
> "bezeichnet". I
> > don't know what wording is really good in English.
>
> I think "betoken" is probably the closest etymologically to
> "bezeichnen", but it's more archaic-sounding.  "Designate" might be a
> good match.  (This is why we end up doing things like using
> "reference" as a verb :-)


Designated is just fine, I do not know  the verb betoken.

However I do not necessarily agree with the post, still thinking...

Robert


>


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