From: "Wolfgang Nádasi-Donner" Date: 2007-01-28T01:45:10+09:00 Subject: Re: pass by reference? dblack@wobblini.net schrieb: > Right -- I take that as the starting point -- but what I mean is that > the way the assignment/rebinding semantics work doesn't necessarily > pertain to the reference/value question. I agree. reference/value came from the world before talking about objects. I remember in Algol60 somehow the wording "after 'integer i;' the variable 'i IS an integer". We would never say that after writing "s = 'A Ruby String object'" the variable 's' IS a String object - it gives a name for a special String object, or references a special String object (see 1). Wolfgang N�dasi-Donner (1): This wording is is used from a German, who tries to find out the best English word for what in German will be called "benennt", or "bezeichnet". I don't know what wording is really good in English.