From: "F. GEIGER" <fgeiger@...>
Date: 2001-10-27T16:56:07+09:00
Subject: [ruby-talk:23606] Re: Ruby and Python: a fuzzy question

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Cheers
Franz

"Mark Hahn" <mchahn@facelink.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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>
> What is Komodo?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: F. GEIGER [mailto:fgeiger@datec.at]
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 12:51 AM
> To: ruby-talk ML; undisclosed-recipients:
> Subject: [ruby-talk:23406] Re: Ruby and Python: a fuzzy question
>
>
> Python and Ruby both are write/read scripting languages, which are in one
or
> the other way "pragmatic" and rather similar.
>
> A language is pragmatic if the language itself is pragmatic and there are
> tools existing supporting it. This applies to Python, but yet not to Ruby.
>
> When there's an IDE available for Ruby with visual debugger support (Black
> Adder is very promising in this regard, but is itself beta now for 2 or
more
> years; Komodo will be there first probably), I'll give Ruby a *real* try
> ("Always step thru your code", you know...).
>
> I tried Ruby for several times now (since end of 2000), but I simply am
not
> one of those, who's able to program within an ASCII editor, doing all
> debugging by scattering all those prints or puts' onto my code. I even
found
> programming Perl tolerable when I discovered that there is a possibility
to
> start-up a visual debugger.
>
> What about the language itself? Well, I find Ruby's blocks appealing, but
> can't say much more yet. When I will have worked more than 45 minutes ;-)
> with Ruby, I can say more, until then I cannot.
>
> Anyway, languages are tools. And any programmer should have more than one
> tool in his bag of tools. So you'll not find me fighting language wars.
> You'll find me using languages, not fighting for them or against them.
>
> Best regards
> Franz GEIGER
>
>
> "Dave Thomas" <Dave@PragmaticProgrammer.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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> >
> > I want to start out with a statement: this is not a message about
> > which language is better. Instead, I'm trying to clarify some vague
> > thought I have by seeing if anyone else can explain it :)
> >
> > For me personally, Ruby and Python have different characters. It isn't
> > that one is better that the other in any absolute sense: they just
> > feel different when I use them. From talking with folks, this seems to
> > be a common experience.
> >
> > So, here's my question. As Paul Prescod has said, Ruby and Python are
> > fairly similar in many significant ways. Despite this, I personally
> > have never managed to get excited about Python, but liked Ruby so much
> > I wrote a book about it. Other folks have the opposite experience,
> > loving Python and not finding much to thrill them about Ruby. Why is
> > that? Is it some kind of personality clash between the language and
> > the programmer? Is it liking what you're used to? Is it liking or
> > disliking the philosophies of the languages' designers? Or is it
> > something else?
> >
> > I have some very vague idea of what it might be (at least as far as
> > I'm concerned), but I'd like to see what people think before posting
> > it.
> >
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
>
>
>