From: Mark Hahn Date: 2001-10-27T09:39:12+09:00 Subject: [ruby-talk:23573] Re: komodo (was: Ruby and Python: a fuzzy question) So it seems komodo and black adder are in the same boat for ruby support. An editor but no ide. At least komodo doesn't claim to have Ruby as black adder does . -----Original Message----- From: Rich Kilmer [mailto:rich@infoether.com] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 5:30 PM To: ruby-talk ML Subject: [ruby-talk:23571] Re: komodo (was: Ruby and Python: a fuzzy question) Well...ActiveState has an interest in Ruby, but no exact timeframe yet. As for other things, on Win32 I've gone to using ScTE (www.scintilla.org). Its a great editing component for for lots of languages including Ruby. It also runs on Linux. Its not really an IDE (no project mgt, debugging, etc) but its a great editor. As for any other IDEs for Ruby...we'll see what Santa brings for Christmas ;) -Rich > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Hahn [mailto:mchahn@facelink.com] > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 8:22 PM > To: ruby-talk ML > Subject: [ruby-talk:23569] RE: komodo (was: Ruby and Python: a fuzzy > question) > > > > Thanks. Looks great. Any idea when Ruby support will happen? > > I'm new to scripting development environments. Is komodo about > the best for > perl/python? Are there any others that exist or are coming along I should > know about? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rich Kilmer [mailto:rich@infoether.com] > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 2:19 PM > To: ruby-talk ML > Subject: [ruby-talk:23536] Re: Ruby and Python: a fuzzy question > > > see http://www.activestate.com/Products/ASPN_Komodo/ > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mark Hahn [mailto:mchahn@facelink.com] > > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 5:14 PM > > To: ruby-talk ML > > Subject: [ruby-talk:23535] Re: Ruby and Python: a fuzzy question > > > > > > > > What is Komodo? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: F. GEIGER [mailto:fgeiger@datec.at] > > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 12:51 AM > > To: ruby-talk ML; undisclosed-recipients: > > Subject: [ruby-talk:23406] Re: Ruby and Python: a fuzzy question > > > > > > Python and Ruby both are write/read scripting languages, which > > are in one or > > the other way "pragmatic" and rather similar. > > > > A language is pragmatic if the language itself is pragmatic and > there are > > tools existing supporting it. This applies to Python, but yet > not to Ruby. > > > > When there's an IDE available for Ruby with visual debugger > support (Black > > Adder is very promising in this regard, but is itself beta now > > for 2 or more > > years; Komodo will be there first probably), I'll give Ruby a *real* try > > ("Always step thru your code", you know...). > > > > I tried Ruby for several times now (since end of 2000), but I > > simply am not > > one of those, who's able to program within an ASCII editor, doing all > > debugging by scattering all those prints or puts' onto my code. I > > even found > > programming Perl tolerable when I discovered that there is a > > possibility to > > start-up a visual debugger. > > > > What about the language itself? Well, I find Ruby's blocks > appealing, but > > can't say much more yet. When I will have worked more than 45 > minutes ;-) > > with Ruby, I can say more, until then I cannot. > > > > Anyway, languages are tools. And any programmer should have > more than one > > tool in his bag of tools. So you'll not find me fighting language wars. > > You'll find me using languages, not fighting for them or against them. > > > > Best regards > > Franz GEIGER > > > > > > "Dave Thomas" schrieb im Newsbeitrag > > news:m2pu7buj3k.fsf@zip.local.thomases.com... > > > > > > I want to start out with a statement: this is not a message about > > > which language is better. Instead, I'm trying to clarify some vague > > > thought I have by seeing if anyone else can explain it :) > > > > > > For me personally, Ruby and Python have different characters. It isn't > > > that one is better that the other in any absolute sense: they just > > > feel different when I use them. From talking with folks, this seems to > > > be a common experience. > > > > > > So, here's my question. As Paul Prescod has said, Ruby and Python are > > > fairly similar in many significant ways. Despite this, I personally > > > have never managed to get excited about Python, but liked Ruby so much > > > I wrote a book about it. Other folks have the opposite experience, > > > loving Python and not finding much to thrill them about Ruby. Why is > > > that? Is it some kind of personality clash between the language and > > > the programmer? Is it liking what you're used to? Is it liking or > > > disliking the philosophies of the languages' designers? Or is it > > > something else? > > > > > > I have some very vague idea of what it might be (at least as far as > > > I'm concerned), but I'd like to see what people think before posting > > > it. > > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > > >