From: Marc Heiler <shevegen@...>
Date: 2006-11-05T01:01:42+09:00
Subject: Re: Getting away from the old php code

Hiyas again, and once again sorry for the delayed
reply. Reason I check not often is that I have
it on a long list of things to check regulary
after some time passes, and there are too many
places I have to keep track over time, forums, mailing
list and so on. :)
Hope you dont mind, I *do* read it all though but
it may take some time.

Anyway now, since some want an answer, first I start with a quote:

  "Again, what is so bad about <% that makes PHP's <? so nice?
   You've never given a reason that you don't want to use ERB."

Please do not misquote me. I never made the notion that <? is
nice. I do not really like it, either. :)
But I agree that I was not clear about it,
so the confusion is understandable.

I actually meant

   <?php

instead of
   <?

Thus I agree there is no real difference between using
<? or <%

Both look a bit like Snoopy starting to swear ;)


Also, in my old php stuff, I do not really use the
<? shortcut for it. But I'd like to have exactly the
same way for erb.

Anyway to answer that question:
  * First, the % character reminds me of ASP Syntax.
  * Second, as I now hopefully made clear - sorry that I
    forgot that in my first comment - I am using the
    longer version
      <?php
  ALWAYS.

  * Third, I do not need it (php) to do line evaluation.
  For clarification I do NOT use PHP to do line
  evaluation such as the following:

    <? print("this is php and it wants a ; !"); ?>

  For me, using ruby such as in:

    <% puts "ruby is much better everywhere ;-)" %>

  or

    <= some_assignment=5 >

  I think it looks ugly in both cases, even though
  ruby code doing the same tasks will always look cleaner
  than php. :>

  I prefer the longer PHP notion simply because
  something such as:

    <?php

  seems less cryptic to me than:

    <%

  or also

    <?

  So in summary it is mostly a matter of personal taste.

  Hope that cleared up some things now :)


  "Frankly, there are ERB shortcuts:

  % for stuff in @stuffs
  % end

  Check out the ERB docs."


  I will be happy as soon as I can use:

    <?ruby

  instead. :)



   "If you really can't stand the <% syntax then download and install
   the erubis gem. It  is an Erb clone that behaves the same way ecept
   it has many more features and is 3 times faster then Erb. It also
   allows you to set the template delimiters to whatever you want. So if
   you were totally off your rocker you could even do this:


   <?php  [:foo, :bar, :baz].each do |sym| ?>
     <?= sym ?>
   <?php end ?>
   "

   WOOOOOOOOOT!
   It looks extremely ugly (i mean the <?= part)
   but the <?php thing looks very nice.

   Thanks a LOT for the link, I will have a good look
   at erubis. The <?php choosing alone seems nice enough
   to use erubis. At least it seems to be better than
   Erb when I read you correctly? Or is there a catch with
   it... anyway off to look at erubis now :)



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