[#217504] is a timepoint DSL possible, like: 10:31 instead of "10:29"? — "Dirk Lüsebrink" <ruby-forum@...>

i could not think of any way to include the ':' character in a DSL, so

11 messages 2006/10/01

[#217603] Why can't I get on Top? — "Trans" <transfire@...>

More Toplevel blow:

17 messages 2006/10/02

[#217634] Creating modules — benjohn@...

21 messages 2006/10/02
[#217643] Re: Creating modules — David Vallner <david@...> 2006/10/02

benjohn@fysh.org wrote:

[#217651] Re: Creating modules — benjohn@... 2006/10/02

I wrote before about the modules I'm trying to build on the fly. I'm

[#217656] Creating dynamically named singleton methods. Syntax question. — "Luke Stark" <Luke.Stark@...> 2006/10/02

You may create singleton methods like so:

[#217700] Special variable within iterators to hold results? — Wes Gamble <weyus@...>

I have this:

11 messages 2006/10/02

[#217783] JRuby scripting for Mozilla? — Kenneth McDonald <kenneth.m.mcdonald@...>

Given that JRuby runs on Java, and Java can, I believe be used to script

12 messages 2006/10/03

[#217812] dynamically changing superclass/mixins — Michael Keller <ask@...>

I have strong interest in highly dynamic languages, particularly

16 messages 2006/10/03

[#217903] NET::HTTP behind a firewall? — Joe Regular <kristapestry@...>

I recently deployed an app to my production server that accesses other

27 messages 2006/10/03
[#217908] Re: NET::HTTP behind a firewall? — "Francis Cianfrocca" <garbagecat10@...> 2006/10/03

On 10/3/06, Joe Regular <kristapestry@yahoo.com> wrote:

[#217909] Re: NET::HTTP behind a firewall? — Jeremy Tregunna <jtregunna@...> 2006/10/03

[#217917] Re: NET::HTTP behind a firewall? — Joe Regular <kristapestry@...> 2006/10/03

Jeremy Tregunna wrote:

[#217919] Re: NET::HTTP behind a firewall? — Joe Regular <kristapestry@...> 2006/10/03

Joe Regular wrote:

[#217921] Re: NET::HTTP behind a firewall? — "Francis Cianfrocca" <garbagecat10@...> 2006/10/03

On 10/3/06, Joe Regular <kristapestry@yahoo.com> wrote:

[#217933] Re: NET::HTTP behind a firewall? — Joe Regular <kristapestry@...> 2006/10/04

Yes, eth1 is the public nic. I can not ping anything with the firewall

[#217945] rb_funcall() Ruby code callback invoked from within a native thread? — "Serge Kruppa" <serge.kruppa@...>

Dear All,

9 messages 2006/10/04
[#217950] Re: rb_funcall() Ruby code callback invoked from within a native thread? — "Francis Cianfrocca" <garbagecat10@...> 2006/10/04

On 10/4/06, Serge Kruppa <serge.kruppa@simitel.com> wrote:

[#217997] Enterprise-Ruby Wish List by Francis Cianfrocca — "zoat" <enogrob@...>

In all the recent talk (some would say hype) about the Ruby programming

32 messages 2006/10/04
[#218006] Re: Enterprise-Ruby Wish List by Francis Cianfrocca — Joel VanderWerf <vjoel@...> 2006/10/04

zoat wrote:

[#218007] Re: Enterprise-Ruby Wish List by Francis Cianfrocca — "Francis Cianfrocca" <garbagecat10@...> 2006/10/04

On 10/4/06, Joel VanderWerf <vjoel@path.berkeley.edu> wrote:

[#218012] Re: Enterprise-Ruby Wish List by Francis Cianfrocca — Jeremy Tregunna <jtregunna@...> 2006/10/04

[#218019] Re: Enterprise-Ruby Wish List by Francis Cianfrocca — "Francis Cianfrocca" <garbagecat10@...> 2006/10/04

On 10/4/06, Jeremy Tregunna <jtregunna@blurgle.ca> wrote:

[#218208] Re: Enterprise-Ruby Wish List by Francis Cianfrocca — Brian McCallister <brianm@...> 2006/10/05

On Oct 4, 2006, at 10:59 AM, Francis Cianfrocca wrote:

[#218031] What is the reason for this syntax? — Kevin Olemoh <darkintent@...>

Hello I have been using ruby off and on for a few months and I have been

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[#218059] Re: What is the reason for this syntax? — "Just Another Victim of the Ambient Morality" <ihatespam@...> 2006/10/04

Just to add to a very good response to the original post...

[#218256] Re: What is the reason for this syntax? — Kevin Olemoh <darkintent@...> 2006/10/05

Just Another Victim of the Ambient Morality wrote:

[#218284] Re: What is the reason for this syntax? — David Vallner <david@...> 2006/10/05

Kevin Olemoh wrote:

[#218295] Re: What is the reason for this syntax? — Charles Oliver Nutter <Charles.O.Nutter@...> 2006/10/05

David Vallner wrote:

[#218306] Re: What is the reason for this syntax? — "Louis J Scoras" <louis.j.scoras@...> 2006/10/06

On 10/5/06, Charles Oliver Nutter <Charles.O.Nutter@sun.com> wrote:

[#218339] Re: What is the reason for this syntax? — "Jean Helou" <jean.helou@...> 2006/10/06

On 10/6/06, Louis J Scoras <louis.j.scoras@gmail.com> wrote:

[#218397] Re: What is the reason for this syntax? — "Louis J Scoras" <louis.j.scoras@...> 2006/10/06

On 10/6/06, Jean Helou <jean.helou@gmail.com> wrote:

[#218430] Re: What is the reason for this syntax? — "Kevin Olemoh" <darkintent@...> 2006/10/06

People really should be able to write code in the way that they

[#218493] Re: What is the reason for this syntax? — David Vallner <david@...> 2006/10/06

Kevin Olemoh wrote:

[#218501] Re: What is the reason for this syntax? — "Kevin Olemoh" <darkintent@...> 2006/10/06

I don't think of the blocks in the same way the real problem is that

[#218510] Re: What is the reason for this syntax? — "Louis J Scoras" <louis.j.scoras@...> 2006/10/06

On 10/6/06, Kevin Olemoh <darkintent@gmail.com> wrote:

[#218513] Re: What is the reason for this syntax? — "Kevin Olemoh" <darkintent@...> 2006/10/07

Thats why I keep sayind defacto (by default) in other words this style

[#219041] Re: What is the reason for this syntax? — "Tom Armitage" <tom.armitage@...> 2006/10/11

On 07/10/06, Kevin Olemoh <darkintent@gmail.com> wrote:

[#219738] Re: What is the reason for this syntax? — "rpardee@..." <rpardee@...> 2006/10/14

But isn't almost everybody coming from *somewhere*? This seems to me a

[#219763] Re: What is the reason for this syntax? — dblack@... 2006/10/15

Hi --

[#219779] Re: What is the reason for this syntax? — "Kevin Olemoh" <darkintent@...> 2006/10/15

Personally I don't think else if needs to be an actual reserved word.

[#219780] Re: What is the reason for this syntax? — "Kevin Olemoh" <darkintent@...> 2006/10/15

I wanted to add that it may not be so advantageous to have so many

[#219886] Re: What is the reason for this syntax? — "Austin Ziegler" <halostatue@...> 2006/10/15

On 10/15/06, Kevin Olemoh <darkintent@gmail.com> wrote:

[#219897] Re: What is the reason for this syntax? — "Kevin Olemoh" <darkintent@...> 2006/10/15

All I said was that perhps there needs to be a movement to remove some

[#219916] Re: What is the reason for this syntax? — "Austin Ziegler" <halostatue@...> 2006/10/16

On 10/15/06, Kevin Olemoh <darkintent@gmail.com> wrote:

[#219919] Re: What is the reason for this syntax? — "Rick DeNatale" <rick.denatale@...> 2006/10/16

On 10/15/06, Austin Ziegler <halostatue@gmail.com> wrote:

[#219934] Re: What is the reason for this syntax? — "Kevin Olemoh" <darkintent@...> 2006/10/16

Having ten dialects of the same language does not nessecarily improve

[#219943] Re: What is the reason for this syntax? — "Austin Ziegler" <halostatue@...> 2006/10/16

Note: this has moved far beyond Ruby. This will, therefore, be my last

[#219947] Re: What is the reason for this syntax? — "Kevin Olemoh" <darkintent@...> 2006/10/16

Just because creating commonality almost always requires supression

[#220022] Re: What is the reason for this syntax? — "Tom Armitage" <tom.armitage@...> 2006/10/16

On 16/10/06, Kevin Olemoh <darkintent@gmail.com> wrote:

[#220023] Re: What is the reason for this syntax? — "Martin Coxall" <pseudo.meta@...> 2006/10/16

> My point is: diversity of language leads to diversity of culture and

[#220056] Re: What is the reason for this syntax? — "Kevin Olemoh" <darkintent@...> 2006/10/16

Who said you had to force anything? Why do you assume that in all

[#220070] Re: What is the reason for this syntax? — "Louis J Scoras" <louis.j.scoras@...> 2006/10/16

On 10/16/06, Kevin Olemoh <darkintent@gmail.com> wrote:

[#218056] Associating data with a function — "Gavin Kistner" <gavin.kistner@...>

Because I just had to solve this problem in both JavaScript and Lua, and

17 messages 2006/10/04

[#218159] Re: traits question — ara.t.howard@...

14 messages 2006/10/05

[#218209] nil being empty — Ohad Lutzky <lutzky@...>

Show of hands - who thinks this is bad form?

59 messages 2006/10/05
[#218400] Re: nil being empty — "Trans" <transfire@...> 2006/10/06

[#218602] Re: nil being empty — "Matthew Harris" <shugotenshi@...> 2006/10/08

I'd like to use the common Python term, "sequence", and ask if a nil

[#218604] Re: nil being empty — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...> 2006/10/08

Matthew Harris wrote:

[#218609] Re: nil being empty — "Robert Dober" <robert.dober@...> 2006/10/08

On 10/8/06, Hal Fulton <hal9000@hypermetrics.com> wrote:

[#218222] Ruby Cookbook review — "zoat" <enogrob@...>

Because of the recent and sudden interest in Ruby on Rails, there is

18 messages 2006/10/05
[#218226] Re: Ruby Cookbook review — "Justin Bailey" <jgbailey@...> 2006/10/05

On 10/5/06, zoat <enogrob@hotmail.com> wrote:

[#218267] Re: Ruby Cookbook review — darren kirby <bulliver@...> 2006/10/05

quoth the Justin Bailey:

[#218366] Re: Ruby Cookbook review — "zoat" <enogrob@...> 2006/10/06

...I think I can answer that myself. Why are you so concerned with

[#218230] question mark at end of method name — "py" <codecraig@...>

what does the question mark at the end of a method name represent?

12 messages 2006/10/05

[#218252] Compound Parallel Operators — "Gavin Kistner" <gavin.kistner@...>

(I didn't see an RCR for this, and my lazy 60s of searching didn't find

17 messages 2006/10/05
[#218336] Re: Compound Parallel Operators — "Martin Coxall" <pseudo.meta@...> 2006/10/06

> Wouldn't it be nice if all compound operators worked with parallel

[#218385] Posix Pangrams (#97) — Ruby Quiz <james@...>

The three rules of Ruby Quiz:

23 messages 2006/10/06

[#218404] tabs and parse errors with Ruby 1.8.4 and Windows — Will Rogers <wjrogers@...>

This is a cross-post from the Rails list in hopes of getting some

13 messages 2006/10/06

[#218522] In the year 2525 — "Jim v. Tess" <jimvtess@...>

Is there a reason why Time.local can't handle dates beyond 2038? I know

21 messages 2006/10/07

[#218577] Ruby vs. Rails — "Giles Bowkett" <gilesb@...>

OK, this question came up on a local list, and I don't have the answer.

48 messages 2006/10/07
[#218596] Re: Ruby vs. Rails — Devin Mullins <twifkak@...> 2006/10/08

Giles Bowkett wrote:

[#218607] Re: Ruby vs. Rails — "M. Edward (Ed) Borasky" <znmeb@...> 2006/10/08

Devin Mullins wrote:

[#218854] Re: Ruby vs. Rails — "Martin DeMello" <martindemello@...> 2006/10/10

On 10/8/06, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky <znmeb@cesmail.net> wrote:

[#218896] Re: Ruby vs. Rails — "M. Edward (Ed) Borasky" <znmeb@...> 2006/10/10

Martin DeMello wrote:

[#219018] Re: Ruby vs. Rails — "John W. Kennedy" <jwkenne@...> 2006/10/11

M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote:

[#218600] HTML reporter for Test::Unit — Benjamin Curtis <ruby@...>

Tesly Jr. (http://junior.tesly.com) is a hosted web app that provides

18 messages 2006/10/08

[#218663] || explanation in ruby... in pseudolanguage — Tuka Opaleye <tuka@...>

Hi,

20 messages 2006/10/08
[#218687] Re: || explanation in ruby... in pseudolanguage — Dave Burt <dave@...> 2006/10/09

Tuka Opaleye wrote:

[#218762] Re: || explanation in ruby... in pseudolanguage — Tuka Opaleye <tuka@...> 2006/10/09

Thanks for the input guys. This really helps.

[#218776] Re: || explanation in ruby... in pseudolanguage — Dave Burt <dave@...> 2006/10/09

Tuka Opaleye wrote:

[#218817] Re: || explanation in ruby... in pseudolanguage — "Max Muermann" <ruby@...> 2006/10/09

On 10/10/06, Dave Burt <dave@burt.id.au> wrote:

[#218861] Re: || explanation in ruby... in pseudolanguage — "Tom Armitage" <tom.armitage@...> 2006/10/10

> Anyway, if it helps, I tend to think of the |var| notation as "with", e.g.

[#218705] Removing Duplicate Objects from Object List — "Jeff Nyman" <jeffnyman_nospam@..._gmail.com>

Greetings all.

10 messages 2006/10/09

[#218733] Ruva: Pure-ruby toy (J)VM — Ross Bamford <rossrt@...>

Hi,

25 messages 2006/10/09
[#218792] Re: [ANN] Ruva: Pure-ruby toy (J)VM — Christian Neukirchen <chneukirchen@...> 2006/10/09

Ross Bamford <rossrt@roscopeco.co.uk> writes:

[#218944] rubyforge.org down — "Tom Copeland" <tom@...>

RubyForge is down... investigating now.

18 messages 2006/10/10
[#218958] Re: rubyforge.org down — Gaspard Gaspard <gaspard@...> 2006/10/10

Tom Copeland wrote:

[#218972] Re: rubyforge.org down — "Tom Copeland" <tom@...>

> RubyForge is down... investigating now.

29 messages 2006/10/10
[#218974] Re: rubyforge.org down — James Edward Gray II <james@...> 2006/10/10

On Oct 10, 2006, at 3:52 PM, Tom Copeland wrote:

[#218975] Re: rubyforge.org down — "Tom Copeland" <tom@...> 2006/10/10

> > It's back up now. We may be having hardware issues - the machine

[#218978] Re: rubyforge.org down — Tim Bray <tbray@...> 2006/10/10

On Oct 10, 2006, at 2:08 PM, Tom Copeland wrote:

[#219008] Re: rubyforge.org down — Tom Copeland <tom@...> 2006/10/11

On Wed, 2006-10-11 at 06:21 +0900, Tim Bray wrote:

[#219019] Re: rubyforge.org down — Charles Oliver Nutter <Charles.O.Nutter@...> 2006/10/11

Tom Copeland wrote:

[#219031] Re: rubyforge.org down — Tom Copeland <tom@...> 2006/10/11

On Wed, 2006-10-11 at 13:41 +0900, Charles Oliver Nutter wrote:

[#218977] Booksales @Rubyconf? — Tim Bray <tbray@...>

Will someone be setting up a bookstand at Rubyconf? I see this at

15 messages 2006/10/10

[#219033] Execution of rubyfile in remote machines — Sampurna Mishra <tanushree.bhoi@...>

Hi All,

13 messages 2006/10/11

[#219045] scanning strings, backward? — Bil Kleb <Bil.Kleb@...>

Hi,

17 messages 2006/10/11

[#219152] Re: rubyforge.org still down ? — "Tom Copeland" <tom@...>

> Cool, yup, right on. I'm going to take rubyforge down around

14 messages 2006/10/11
[#219153] Re: rubyforge.org still down ? — "Thiago Jackiw" <tjackiw@...> 2006/10/11

On 10/11/06, Tom Copeland <tom@infoether.com> wrote:

[#219177] case ... when and arrays (or what was why_ showing us at railsconf europe) — "J2M" <james2mccarthy@...>

Hi,

9 messages 2006/10/11

[#219218] Counting Frequency of Values in an Array (And Sorting by Frequency?) — x1 <caldridge@...>

Is there no method for an array that will tell me the # of occurrences

10 messages 2006/10/12

[#219276] Debugging in the large, modern practice? — Hugh Sasse <hgs@...>

I think the following may be a badly formed question, but if you'd

19 messages 2006/10/12

[#219285] My .irbrc for console/irb — Dr Nic <drnicwilliams@...>

I recently discovered that I can create a .irbrc file to run setup for

15 messages 2006/10/12

[#219325] Isolating non-unique items in an array — Jason Burgett <jasbur@...>

I'm basically trying to the opposite of .uniq Let's say I have an array:

16 messages 2006/10/12

[#219330] IO.readint ? — "Rolando Abarca" <funkaster@...>

Hi all,

16 messages 2006/10/12

[#219429] Any way to get lists to throw exceptions on incorrect accesses? — Kenneth McDonald <kenneth.m.mcdonald@...>

I'm slowly doing more in Ruby (in addition to what I do in Python), as I

10 messages 2006/10/13

[#219502] A* (#98) — Ruby Quiz <james@...>

The three rules of Ruby Quiz:

26 messages 2006/10/13

[#219512] YART - Yet Another Ruby Tutorial!!! — Paul Barry <paul.barry@...>

12 messages 2006/10/13

[#219522] Why does 'chroot' interfere with 'system'? — "Sy Ali" <sy1234@...>

This always fails.

13 messages 2006/10/13

[#219649] Ruby Tutorial for beginners — "Dibya Prakash" <prakash.dibya@...>

Hi All,

15 messages 2006/10/14
[#219652] Re: [Adv] Ruby Tutorial for beginners — "Kevin Olemoh" <darkintent@...> 2006/10/14

Neat thanks for the heads up.

[#219653] Re: [Adv] Ruby Tutorial for beginners — "Kevin Olemoh" <darkintent@...> 2006/10/14

One quick question in one of his examples he states that using single

[#219719] What books to buy? — Kyrre Nyg蚌d <kyrreny@...>

26 messages 2006/10/14
[#219726] Re: What books to buy? — James Britt <james.britt@...> 2006/10/14

Kyrre Nyg蚌d wrote:

[#219797] Re: What books to buy? — Kyrre Nyg蚌d <kyrreny@...> 2006/10/15

At 23:09 14.10.2006, James Britt wrote:

[#219817] Re: What books to buy? — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...> 2006/10/15

Kyrre Nyg蚌d wrote:

[#220076] Re: "Good Ideas, Through the Looking Glass" — "Rick DeNatale" <rick.denatale@...>

On 10/16/06, Rich Morin <rdm@cfcl.com> wrote:

13 messages 2006/10/16

[#220210] Ruby Quiz - Degree of Difficulty — Mark Woodward <markonlinux@...>

Hi all,

19 messages 2006/10/17

[#220304] ruby way to say this? — matt@... (matt neuburg)

In Ruby, zero isn't false and there is no equivalent of the ?: operator

13 messages 2006/10/17

[#220355] Newbie: Ruby and Writing Variables In Strings — Lovell Mcilwain <lovell.mcilwain@...>

Hello all,

11 messages 2006/10/18

[#220424] Another topic for RubyConf — "M. Edward (Ed) Borasky" <znmeb@...>

As if the folks at RubyConf don't have enough to talk about already,

22 messages 2006/10/18

[#220435] My first feeling of Ruby — Florent Guiliani <fguiliani@...>

Hi all,

15 messages 2006/10/18

[#220531] whats this lambda code doing? — hemant <gethemant@...>

I came across following code in typo's application.rb and I can't

17 messages 2006/10/19

[#220536] Is anyone using Ruby for 24/7 financial applications? — "John Baylor" <john.baylor@...>

I know a lot of people are using ruby on rails for web apps, usually with

21 messages 2006/10/19

[#220574] RejectConf — Ryan Davis <ryand-ruby@...>

Jacob Harris and I came up with the idea of doing RejectConf. If you

24 messages 2006/10/19

[#220754] filling an array excepted first and last position... — Josselin <josselin@...>

ldom = 30 # variable (last day of a month...)

11 messages 2006/10/20

[#220769] — "gaurav bagga" <gaurav.v.bagga@...>

Hi All,

19 messages 2006/10/20
[#221041] Re: [OT:usage of uml] — "Chris Carter" <cdcarter@...> 2006/10/22

Hi,

[#220787] break from block — "Farrel Lifson" <farrel.lifson@...>

I've just run into the following problem. Doing this:

15 messages 2006/10/20

[#220964] A Comparison Of Dynamic and Static Languiges — atbusbook@...

I'm doing a report on the speed of develipment and executionin varius

30 messages 2006/10/21

[#220999] DRY fanatics? — "Giles Bowkett" <gilesb@...>

Anybody know a way to make this DRYer?

15 messages 2006/10/22

[#221025] downcase part of a string — "ilhamik" <ilhami.kilic@...>

hi,

39 messages 2006/10/22
[#221405] Re: downcase part of a string — "F. Senault" <fred@...> 2006/10/24

Le 23 octobre 2006 03:16, Wilson Bilkovich a 馗rit :

[#221520] Re: downcase part of a string — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...> 2006/10/24

F. Senault wrote:

[#221036] Recommendations for a Ruby Wiki, preferably with bidi support? — "Alder Green" <alder.green@...>

We are going to deploy a Wiki system for a medium load website. Any

24 messages 2006/10/22
[#221040] Re: Recommendations for a Ruby Wiki, preferably with bidi support? — James Britt <james.britt@...> 2006/10/22

Alder Green wrote:

[#221043] Re: Recommendations for a Ruby Wiki, preferably with bidi support? — "Alder Green" <alder.green@...> 2006/10/22

On 10/22/06, James Britt

[#221058] Re: Recommendations for a Ruby Wiki, preferably with bidi support? — James Britt <james.britt@...> 2006/10/22

Alder Green wrote:

[#221071] Re: Recommendations for a Ruby Wiki, preferably with bidi support? — "Bret Pettichord" <bpettichord@...> 2006/10/22

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instiki

[#221078] Re: Recommendations for a Ruby Wiki, preferably with bidi support? — Joel VanderWerf <vjoel@...> 2006/10/22

Bret Pettichord wrote:

[#221108] Fast portable storage for queues — snacktime <snacktime@...>

I've tested out a couple of ways of storing a queue structure and

18 messages 2006/10/22
[#221133] Re: Fast portable storage for queues — "Francis Cianfrocca" <garbagecat10@...> 2006/10/23

On 10/22/06, snacktime <snacktime@gmail.com> wrote:

[#221151] Re: Fast portable storage for queues — khaines@... 2006/10/23

On Mon, 23 Oct 2006, Francis Cianfrocca wrote:

[#221212] How to remove empty element in an array — Li Chen <chen_li3@...>

Hi all,

13 messages 2006/10/23

[#221213] How to remove empty element in an array — Li Chen <chen_li3@...>

Hi all,

12 messages 2006/10/23

[#221249] What's the difference between send and instance_eval? — "michele" <michelemendel@...>

What's the difference between send and instance_eval (except the

11 messages 2006/10/23

[#221287] '**' as hash splat? — "Trans" <transfire@...>

We can:

16 messages 2006/10/24

[#221293] Ruby's garbage collector... — "Just Another Victim of the Ambient Morality" <ihatespam@...>

Is there a name for Ruby's garbage collecting strategy?

12 messages 2006/10/24

[#221311] Chunky Bacon — Joe Ruby MUDCRAP-CE <joeat303@...>

WTF, I ask. I know it's in why's Poignant guide, but...WTF?

26 messages 2006/10/24
[#221394] Re: Chunky Bacon — David Roberts <smartgpx@...> 2006/10/24

Joe Ruby MUDCRAP-CE wrote:

[#221325] Ruby in a Nutshell .. worth it? — EB <ebonakDUH_@...>

Hi,

18 messages 2006/10/24

[#221381] How can my boss take rails seriously with bugs like this? — Chris Richards <evilgeenius@...>

15 messages 2006/10/24

[#221404] How do I tell when I'm on Cygwin? — James Edward Gray II <james@...>

HighLine has some code like this:

72 messages 2006/10/24
[#221415] Re: How do I tell when I'm on Cygwin? — "Nick Sieger" <nicksieger@...> 2006/10/24

On 10/24/06, James Edward Gray II <james@grayproductions.net> wrote:

[#221432] Re: How do I tell when I'm on Cygwin? — "Gregory Brown" <gregory.t.brown@...> 2006/10/24

On 10/24/06, Nick Sieger <nicksieger@gmail.com> wrote:

[#221532] Re: How do I tell when I'm on Cygwin? — James Edward Gray II <james@...> 2006/10/25

On Oct 24, 2006, at 1:40 PM, Gregory Brown wrote:

[#221538] Re: How do I tell when I'm on Cygwin? — "Gregory Brown" <gregory.t.brown@...> 2006/10/25

On 10/24/06, James Edward Gray II <james@grayproductions.net> wrote:

[#221544] Re: How do I tell when I'm on Cygwin? — "M. Edward (Ed) Borasky" <znmeb@...> 2006/10/25

Gregory Brown wrote:

[#221560] Re: How do I tell when I'm on Cygwin? — ara.t.howard@... 2006/10/25

On Wed, 25 Oct 2006, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote:

[#221565] Re: [OT] Re: How do I tell when I'm on Cygwin? — "M. Edward (Ed) Borasky" <znmeb@...> 2006/10/25

ara.t.howard@noaa.gov wrote:

[#221573] Re: [OT] Re: How do I tell when I'm on Cygwin? — "Wilson Bilkovich" <wilsonb@...> 2006/10/25

On 10/24/06, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky <znmeb@cesmail.net> wrote:

[#221576] Re: [OT] Re: How do I tell when I'm on Cygwin? — "M. Edward (Ed) Borasky" <znmeb@...> 2006/10/25

Wilson Bilkovich wrote:

[#221578] Re: [OT] Re: How do I tell when I'm on Cygwin? — "Robert Oliver" <rob@...> 2006/10/25

On 10/24/06, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky <znmeb@cesmail.net> wrote:

[#221600] Re: [OT] Re: How do I tell when I'm on Cygwin? — "Austin Ziegler" <halostatue@...> 2006/10/25

On 10/24/06, Robert Oliver <rob@ocstech.com> wrote:

[#221941] Re: How do I tell when I'm on Cygwin? — Chris Lowis <chris.lowis@...> 2006/10/26

Austin Ziegler wrote:

[#222115] Re: How do I tell when I'm on Cygwin? — "Austin Ziegler" <halostatue@...> 2006/10/26

On 10/26/06, Chris Lowis <chris.lowis@gmail.com> wrote:

[#221474] RubyConf2006 Retrospective — Bil Kleb <Bil.Kleb@...>

Hi,

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[#221518] Re: RubyConf2006 Retrospective — James Britt <james.britt@...> 2006/10/24

M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote:

[#221534] Re: RubyConf2006 Retrospective — "M. Edward (Ed) Borasky" <znmeb@...> 2006/10/25

James Britt wrote:

[#221622] Re: RubyConf2006 Retrospective — "Austin Ziegler" <halostatue@...> 2006/10/25

On 10/24/06, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky <znmeb@cesmail.net> wrote:

[#221483] Freeride, FXRuby, FXScintilla, etc. (Includes [Fwd: [fxscintilla-users] ANNOUNCE: FXScintilla 1.71 and stopping]) — "M. Edward (Ed) Borasky" <znmeb@...>

I just received this in my email. As most of you know by now, I run

8 messages 2006/10/24

[#221545] Best way to automate web browser tasks? — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...>

I know there's Watir or something... but I'm not using

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[#221620] Is there really an impending Ruby fracture??? — "M. Edward (Ed) Borasky" <znmeb@...>

Well ... I've been home from RubyConf for a day now. I sort of expected

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[#221635] Documentation formats (RDoc to PDF output?) — Alex Gutteridge <alexg@...>

Hi,

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[#221651] Potential Brit ruby meeting formally Chunky Bacon — "Cameron, Gemma (UK)" <Gemma.Cameron@...>

11 messages 2006/10/25

[#221730] ruby mysql errors -where am I going wrong here? — Mer Gilmartin <merrua@...>

Here is my test code. I am wondering where I am going wrong.

13 messages 2006/10/25

[#221814] Re: Pass block instead of here document? — "Gavin Kistner" <gavin.kistner@...>

From: Morton Goldberg [mailto:m_goldberg@ameritech.net]

16 messages 2006/10/25

[#221866] simple math question — Brad Tilley <rtilley@...>

What's the quickest way to determine if an int is an even number

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[#221938] Beginner would like help with oo-modelling — Pa Per <xxx@...>

I'm new to ruby and basically oop as well, but based on what I've seen

15 messages 2006/10/26

[#221985] Re: [ANN] Potential Brit ruby meeting formally Chunky Bacon — "Cameron, Gemma (UK)" <Gemma.Cameron@...>

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[#222006] Re: [ANN] Potential Brit ruby meeting formally Chunky Bacon — "Tom Armitage" <tom.armitage@...> 2006/10/26

On 26/10/06, Cameron, Gemma (UK) <Gemma.Cameron@baesystems.com> wrote:

[#222029] Re: [ANN] Potential Brit ruby meeting formally Chunky Bacon — Paul Lynch <paul@...> 2006/10/26

On 26 Oct 2006, at 16:49, Tom Armitage wrote:

[#222030] Re: [ANN] Potential Brit ruby meeting formally Chunky Bacon — "Tom Armitage" <tom.armitage@...> 2006/10/26

On 26/10/06, Paul Lynch <paul@plsys.co.uk> wrote:

[#222186] why is my singleton method called before the class is initialize? — "bachase@..." <bachase@...>

Consider:

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[#222253] Fuzzy Time (#99) — Ruby Quiz <james@...>

The three rules of Ruby Quiz:

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[#222263] Ruby's book list is out of date... — "Jeremy McAnally" <jeremymcanally@...>

Hello all,

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[#222270] a regex — "Alexandru Popescu" <the.mindstorm.mailinglist@...>

Hi!

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[#222328] classless methods — Dave Rose <bitdoger2@...>

what class does a classless independent method belong too?

15 messages 2006/10/27

[#222362] can there be a "with" construction? — matt@... (matt neuburg)

Some languages have a "with" construction, where undefined methods are

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[#222408] What are closures, continuations? — Joe Ruby MUDCRAP-CE <joeat303@...>

I've seen these mentioned in various places. From what I can tell:

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[#222432] Another nail in CygWin's coffin (attached) — "M. Edward (Ed) Borasky" <znmeb@...>

Austin is basically right -- *nobody* should use CygWin as a Windows

14 messages 2006/10/27

[#222453] SouthWest RubyConf? — James Britt <james.britt@...>

Is anyone aware of, or interested in helping prepare, plans for a U.S.

16 messages 2006/10/28

[#222460] Efficient parsing of large Excel documents in Ruby — Wes Gamble <weyus@...>

All,

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[#222535] symetrical encryption algo's ? — dc <lister@...>

Hi list.

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[#222569] Define a hash using %q? — Joe Ruby MUDCRAP-CE <joeat303@...>

Is there a way for us lazy typists to define a hash using %q? I tried

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[#222571] Re: Define a hash using %q? — Joel VanderWerf <vjoel@...> 2006/10/29

Joe Ruby MUDCRAP-CE wrote:

[#222580] Interesting trival example of why open classes are good? — "Peter Michaux" <petermichaux@...>

Hi,

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[#222713] DNS library released — alexd@...

Hello -

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[#222724] Re: [ANN] DNS library released — Daniel Berger <djberg96@...> 2006/10/30

alexd@nominet.org.uk wrote:

[#222744] Re: [ANN] DNS library released — James Edward Gray II <james@...> 2006/10/30

On Oct 30, 2006, at 6:44 AM, Daniel Berger wrote:

[#222765] Ruby performance on Windows XP — "Dark Ambient" <sambient@...>

While I am working in Rails, I'm noticing that Ruby many times completely

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[#222804] QtRuby 1.4.7 — "richard.j.dale@..." <richard.j.dale@...>

URIS

15 messages 2006/10/30

[#222925] Ruby tools for managing static websites? — "Chris Pearl" <chrispearl@...>

Are there Ruby tools to help webmasters manage static websites?

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[#222932] Re: [ANN] bfts 1.0.0 Released — "Jeff Dik" <s450r1@...>

This is excellent news!

15 messages 2006/10/31

[#223035] Nonblocking IO read — srobertjames@...

How can I perform a nonblocking IO read? That is, read whatever is

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[#223038] Re: Nonblocking IO read — ara.t.howard@... 2006/10/31

On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 srobertjames@gmail.com wrote:

[#223039] still more relentless non-repetition — "Giles Bowkett" <gilesb@...>

ok, I have this Rails code which I want to make more Rubyish.

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Re: Ruby's garbage collector...

From: "Rick DeNatale" <rick.denatale@...>
Date: 2006-10-25 01:31:11 UTC
List: ruby-talk #221557
On 10/24/06, Ken Bloom <kbloom@gmail.com> wrote:

> If it's mathematically impossible for a garbage collector to find every
> unused object, I certainly wasn't told about it when I took compilers
> class a couple years ago.

It depends on how you define unused.

Actually a GC should remove unusable objects, i.e. objects which are
no longer reachable, and therefore can no longer affect future
computations.

Of course no GC can predict whether or not a reachable object will
ever be used in the future. So 'memory leaks' are possible even with a
GC.  One of, but certainly not the only, reasons that global variables
are frowned upon is that they are opportunities to accumulate
reference chains to objects which otherwise should be GCed.

On the other hand the worst thing a GC can do is to reclaim objects
which ARE reachable. That's why the Ruby GC doesn't claim objects
which are reachable via references on an execution stack.  Someone
mentioned this in another post to this thread.

Reference counting was probably the first GC algorithm, it's safe in
the sense that it doesn't free reachable objects, but it doesn't free
non-reachable objects which form a self referencing set.

> AIUI, Java uses mark-and-sweep garbage collection just like Ruby, and both
> can handle circular references. The downside to mark-and-sweep garbage
> collection is the fact that mark-and-sweep can take a while at random
> points in the program, so it's not advisable for real-time programming,
> and could cause noticable delays in interactive programs.

It depends on the implementation, but most Java VMs use a form of
generational garbage collection.  This was first invented by Dave
Ungar for the UC Berkeley implementation of Smalltalk, who observed
that most objects either quickly became dead (unreachable) or lived a
long time.  Ungar's original 'generation scavenging' GC algorithm
allocates new objects in a small space called newspace, and when
newspace fills, it moves the live objects in newspace to a new
newspace, leaving the others behind.  After an object lives a certain
small number of generations, usually 2**n for a small n (like 2 or 3)
objects get tenured, to a larger "old space"  Old space gets
infrequently reclaimed by another algorithm, often mark-sweep.  It's
called scavenging because, rather than freeing unused new objects, it
scavenges live ones before throwing away wholesale those left in the
old newspace.

Generational scavenging can also, but not necessarily, have nice
properties in virtual memory systems, since it tends to keep the young
object closer together, which tends to keep the working set smaller.

On the downside, these types of GC algorithms mean that the address of
an object changes over its lifetime, which makes the API for what ruby
calls extensions, and what Smalltalk calls primitives (i.e. code
written in C or another low-level language which deals with objects)
have to deal with volatile object pointers.

It also complicates implementing finalization since dead objects in
newspace are reclaimed by being left behind which makes their
detection more expensive.

> It also means
> that objects holding other resources (like file handles) may keep those
> resources open indefinitely if they are not manually closed. Ruby handles
> this by allowing you to use a block to scope the sue of such resources,
> such as
>
> open("file") {|f| ... } # after the block, f is now closed.

Of course this is an issue regardless of the GC algorithm, it really
relates to what I said earlier about a GC collecting objects
potentially still in use as a cardinal sin.

Actually the nice thing about Ruby's use of blocks for things like
IO#open is that it nicely handles a lot of cases for which
finalization is used in other languages, and finalization is best used
sparingly since it only gets triggered when and if an object is GCed.
Relying on finalization to free up non-object resources (e.g. to close
files) is not the best practice in general.

> Reference counting (used by Perl) keeps a count of how many pointers there
> are to each object and frees those objects when the reference count
> reaches zero. This can't free circular references because every object in
> the circle has a pointer to it from something else in the circle. The
> solution when using this kind of system is to keep circular structures
> encapsulated in some other object which is written in such a way as to
> break the cycle when its reference count drops to zero (in Perl where all
> pointers are reference counted), or which can use uncounted pointers
> for the circular stuff can take care of disposing of the objects itself (in
> C++ where reference counting requires you to create a special pointer
> class like a ref_ptr<T>). The advantage to this method is that you know
> exactly when your objects are disposed, it works well across processes
> (for example COM uses it), and it can be mixed with uncounted code quite
> easily (as I mentioned regarding C++).

While mark and sweep does tend to 'stop the world', reference counting
is actually  more expensive because of the amount of bookkeeping it
requires.  Every assignment requires an increment of the ref count of
the object now referenced, an decrement of the ref count of the object
formerly referenced, and a check to see if that count has gone to
zero.

There are also variants of mark and sweep which allow it to be
incremental, which combines the lower overall overhead with the
ability to amorize the impact over time.

-- 
Rick DeNatale

My blog on Ruby
http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/

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