[#21872] Let's work on Windows support — Dave Thomas <Dave@...>

98 messages 2001/10/01
[#21957] Re: Let's work on Windows support — "Benoit Cerrina" <benoit.cerrina@...> 2001/10/02

> I seem to remember that versions of Python compiled with MinGW can't have

[#21960] Re: Let's work on Windows support — "Furio R. Filoseta (tlf.)" <furifilo901@...> 2001/10/02

I am just a developer, not a Guru, but it seems to me that the .NET way

[#21963] Re: Let's work on Windows support — Albert Wagner <alwagner@...> 2001/10/03

On Tuesday 02 October 2001 18:20, you wrote:

[#21965] Re: Let's work on Windows support — "Furio R. Filoseta (tlf.)" <furifilo901@...> 2001/10/03

Come on, for Ruby developers in Windows environment. You may as well be

[#21969] Re: Let's work on Windows support — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2001/10/03

Hello --

[#22153] Re: Let's work on Windows support — "Conrad Schneiker" <schneiker@...> 2001/10/06

Hi,

[#22154] Re: Let's work on Windows support — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2001/10/06

Hello --

[#22167] Re: Let's work on Windows support — Mathieu Bouchard <matju@...> 2001/10/06

On Sat, 6 Oct 2001, David Alan Black wrote:

[#22183] Re: Let's work on Windows support — "Furio R. Filoseta (tlf.)" <furifilo901@...> 2001/10/07

Who cares if they ditch the standard ? They will still have to be self

[#21959] Flogging a live Window — Eli Green <eli.green@...>

Ok, I wanted to get away from the theory and conjecture thread of the

23 messages 2001/10/02

[#22003] Marshal won't dump a Proc — "HarryO" <harryo@...>

I would really like to be able to dump a block of code via Marshal#dump,

17 messages 2001/10/03

[#22107] The Windows question still remains... — Robert Hicks <bobhicks@...>

VC++

17 messages 2001/10/04
[#22111] Re: The Windows question still remains... — Robert Hicks <bobhicks@...> 2001/10/05

Shan-leung Maverick WOO wrote:

[#22166] dRuby, Linux and ports — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson)

13 messages 2001/10/06

[#22219] - BRITNEY SPEARS NAKED----WOW!!!!!! — -.597i1468vn4848nc3958vn32858238@...

BRITNEY SPEARS COCK SUCKING VIDEO---EXCLUSIVE!!!

19 messages 2001/10/08

[#22257] [Newbie] Switching from Perl : suffling — Damien WYART <damien.wyart@...>

Dear All,

13 messages 2001/10/08

[#22299] Re: Less than 4 days now... — Andrew Hunt <andy@...>

>> Is everyone ready for the

27 messages 2001/10/09
[#22300] Re: Less than 4 days now... — Robert Feldt <feldt@...> 2001/10/09

Hi,

[#22310] Re: Less than 4 days now... — Dave Thomas <Dave@...> 2001/10/09

"Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@hypermetrics.com> writes:

[#22316] Re: Less than 4 days now... — Todd Gillespie <toddg@...> 2001/10/09

On Tue, 9 Oct 2001, Dave Thomas wrote:

[#22320] Re: Less than 4 days now... — Dave Thomas <Dave@...> 2001/10/09

Todd Gillespie <toddg@mail.ma.utexas.edu> writes:

[#22347] Re: Less than 4 days now... — Robert Feldt <feldt@...> 2001/10/09

On Wed, 10 Oct 2001, Dave Thomas wrote:

[#22325] blocks with min and max — Mark Slagell <ms@...>

I don't know if this has been raised before, but I'd like to be able to

17 messages 2001/10/09

[#22405] list comprehensions alike Python ??? — markus jais <info@...>

hello

20 messages 2001/10/10
[#22407] Re: list comprehensions alike Python ??? — Robert Feldt <feldt@...> 2001/10/10

On Thu, 11 Oct 2001, markus jais wrote:

[#22411] Re: list comprehensions alike Python ??? — Paul Prescod <paul@...> 2001/10/11

Robert Feldt wrote:

[#22432] OSSL opinion — Michal Rokos <rokosm@...>

Hello!

16 messages 2001/10/11

[#22465] Learn Ruby/Tk or Ruby/GTK? && Problems with these. — "dAHen" <steensland@...>

Hi!

45 messages 2001/10/12
[#22472] Re: Learn Ruby/Tk or Ruby/GTK? && Problems with these. — "dAHen" <steensland@...> 2001/10/12

ts> No, you just need to have the header files and libraries for tcl/tk and

[#22520] Re: Learn Ruby/Tk or Ruby/GTK? — Kevin Smith <kevinbsmith@...> 2001/10/14

--- dAHen <steensland@hotmail.com> wrote:

[#22613] Re: Learn Ruby/Tk or Ruby/GTK? — stesch@... (Stefan Scholl) 2001/10/16

On 2001-10-15 19:58:29Z, Christopher Sawtell <csawtell@paradise.net.nz> wrote:

[#22625] Re: Learn Ruby/Tk or Ruby/GTK? — Kevin Smith <kevinbsmith@...> 2001/10/16

--- Stefan Scholl <stesch@no-spoon.de> wrote:

[#22632] Re: Learn Ruby/Tk or Ruby/GTK? — "Mark Hahn" <mchahn@...> 2001/10/16

[#22645] What about FLTK? — "Mark Hahn" <mchahn@...> 2001/10/16

[#22652] Re: What about FLTK? — Kevin Smith <kevinbsmith@...> 2001/10/17

--- Mark Hahn <mchahn@facelink.com> wrote:

[#22656] Re: What about FLTK? — "Mark Hahn" <mchahn@...> 2001/10/17

That's good to know. It makes me more comfortable to proceed assuming FLTK.

[#22494] extracting from delimited text files — Albert Wagner <alwagner@...>

What is the simplist way to extract fields from standard quoted, comma

23 messages 2001/10/13
[#22496] Re: extracting from delimited text files — Robert Linder <robert_linder_2000@...> 2001/10/13

Check out http://ruby.yi.org/raa/en/all.html

[#22502] Open-ended ranges — Sean Russell <ser@...>

Before I post an RCR on this, I'd like to solicit information from the more

11 messages 2001/10/14
[#22503] Re: Open-ended ranges — Robert Feldt <feldt@...> 2001/10/14

On Sun, 14 Oct 2001, Sean Russell wrote:

[#22766] ANN: RuEdit - introspective Ruby editor — phlip_cpp@... (Phlip)

Here's the README file from http://sourceforge.net/projects/ruedit :

31 messages 2001/10/19

[#22769] How to Convert String to Regex to Perform Exact Match — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...>

Hi,

10 messages 2001/10/19

[#22867] RE: I need some help!! — Mikkel Bruun <mikkel.bruun@...>

uhhmm...

14 messages 2001/10/21
[#22883] Re: I need some help!! — Tobias Reif <tobiasreif@...> 2001/10/21

Mikkel Bruun wrote:

[#22886] Re: I need some help!! — "Avdi B. Grimm" <avdi@...> 2001/10/21

On Sun, 2001-10-21 at 15:26, Tobias Reif wrote:

[#22871] Preaching Ruby to the masses. How? — Kent Dahl <kentda@...>

Hi.

17 messages 2001/10/21

[#23063] Bruce Eckel's opinion of Ruby — "Rich Kilmer" <rich@...>

Ouch!

178 messages 2001/10/23
[#23076] Re: Bruce Eckel's opinion of Ruby — Eric Lee Green <eric@...> 2001/10/23

On Tuesday 23 October 2001 11:20, you wrote:

[#23084] Re: Bruce Eckel's opinion of Ruby — Michael Neumann <neumann@...> 2001/10/23

Eric Lee Green wrote:

[#23087] Re: Bruce Eckel's opinion of Ruby — Eric Lee Green <eric@...> 2001/10/23

On Tuesday 23 October 2001 13:25, you wrote:

[#23088] Re: Bruce Eckel's opinion of Ruby — Robert Feldt <feldt@...> 2001/10/23

On Wed, 24 Oct 2001, Eric Lee Green wrote:

[#23096] Re: Bruce Eckel's opinion of Ruby — "Rich Kilmer" <rich@...> 2001/10/23

[#23099] Re: Bruce Eckel's opinion of Ruby — Robert Feldt <feldt@...> 2001/10/23

On Wed, 24 Oct 2001, Rich Kilmer wrote:

[#23090] Re: Bruce Eckel's opinion of Ruby — Paul Brannan <pbrannan@...> 2001/10/23

On Wed, 24 Oct 2001, Michael Neumann wrote:

[#23085] Re: Bruce Eckel's opinion of Ruby — Robert Feldt <feldt@...> 2001/10/23

Hi Eric and thanks for your detailed comments,

[#23119] Re: Bruce Eckel's opinion of Ruby — Sean Russell <ser@...> 2001/10/23

Eric Lee Green wrote:

[#23141] Re: Bruce Eckel's opinion of Ruby — Emiliano <emile@...> 2001/10/24

Sean Russell wrote:

[#23219] Re: Bruce Eckel's opinion of Ruby — Sean Russell <ser@...> 2001/10/24

Emiliano wrote:

[#23221] Re: Bruce Eckel's opinion of Ruby — Emiliano <emile@...> 2001/10/24

Sean Russell wrote:

[#23259] Re: Bruce Eckel's opinion of Ruby — Sean Russell <ser@...> 2001/10/25

Emiliano wrote:

[#23264] Re: Bruce Eckel's opinion of Ruby — Emiliano <emile@...> 2001/10/25

Sean Russell wrote:

[#23439] Re: Issues with white space [was Re: Bruce Eckel's opinion of Ruby] — Sean Russell <ser@...> 2001/10/26

Raja S. wrote:

[#23447] Re: Issues with white space [was Re: Bruce Eckel's opinion of Ruby] — ts <decoux@...> 2001/10/26

>>>>> "S" == Sean Russell <ser@efn.org> writes:

[#23108] Re: Bruce Eckel's opinion of Ruby — Sean Russell <ser@...> 2001/10/23

Emiliano wrote:

[#23214] () vs (...) in header files — Paul Brannan <pbrannan@...>

There is a serious problem with including ruby.h and intern.h in C++

14 messages 2001/10/24
[#23283] Re: () vs (...) in header files — ts <decoux@...> 2001/10/25

>>>>> "P" == Paul Brannan <pbrannan@atdesk.com> writes:

[#23248] [ANN] RubyInRubyParser 0.1-pre-alpha — markus liedl <markus.lado@...>

53 messages 2001/10/25
[#23323] Re: [ANN] RubyInRubyParser 0.1-pre-alpha — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson) 2001/10/25

In article <5.1.0.14.0.20011025083950.00bc30b0@mercury.sabren.com>,

[#23336] Re: [ANN] RubyInRubyParser 0.1-pre-alpha — Jimmy Thrasher <jjthrash@...> 2001/10/25

At 02:54 AM 10/26/2001 +0900, you wrote:

[#23350] Re: GUI / was [ANN] RubyInRubyParser 0.1-pre-alpha — markus liedl <markus.lado@...> 2001/10/25

> having a native window with a canvas which Ruby draws on using the BitBlt

[#23355] Re: GUI / was [ANN] RubyInRubyParser 0.1-pre-alpha — "Rich Kilmer" <rich@...> 2001/10/25

I wrote a sophisticated lightweight component framework on Java (before Swing) that was very fast. Of course, writing it in a "higher level" language adds overhead, but not as much overhead as bad design ;-) If you could have low-level primitives written natively and layer higher level constructs with Ruby, I think you could build a very responsive UI.

[#23369] Re: GUI / was [ANN] RubyInRubyParser 0.1-pre-alpha — Eli Green <eli.green@...> 2001/10/25

I never understood why Swing was so slow. I do know, however, that Swing is

[#23371] Re: GUI / was [ANN] RubyInRubyParser 0.1-pre-alpha — Avi Bryant <avi@...4.com> 2001/10/25

On Fri, 26 Oct 2001, Eli Green wrote:

[#23261] Ruby macros — Leo <lraz@...>

Hi Ruby experts,

19 messages 2001/10/25

[#23318] class Foo does not call Class.new? — Brian Marick <marick@...>

It seems that this:

25 messages 2001/10/25
[#23358] Re: class Foo does not call Class.new? — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2001/10/25

Hi,

[#23360] Re: class Foo does not call Class.new? — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2001/10/25

Hello --

[#23395] Re: class Foo does not call Class.new? — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2001/10/26

Hi,

[#23680] Re: ref. constructors and new (was: Re: class Foo does not call Class.new?) — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2001/10/28

Hello --

[#23396] Ruby and Python: a fuzzy question — Dave Thomas <Dave@...>

37 messages 2001/10/26
[#23406] Re: Ruby and Python: a fuzzy question — "F. GEIGER" <fgeiger@...> 2001/10/26

Python and Ruby both are write/read scripting languages, which are in one or

[#23544] Fast reply needed: class var trouble — Robert Feldt <feldt@...>

Ok its getting late over here in sweden and I'm tired. Can someone please

21 messages 2001/10/26
[#23548] RE: Fast reply needed: class var trouble — "Rich Kilmer" <rich@...> 2001/10/26

[#23555] Re: Fast reply needed: class var trouble — Robert Feldt <feldt@...> 2001/10/26

On Sat, 27 Oct 2001, Rich Kilmer wrote:

[#23557] Re: Fast reply needed: class var trouble — "Rich Kilmer" <rich@...> 2001/10/26

because you defined:

[#23558] Re: Fast reply needed: class var trouble — Robert Feldt <feldt@...> 2001/10/26

On Sat, 27 Oct 2001, Rich Kilmer wrote:

[#23561] Re: Fast reply needed: class var trouble — "Ralph Mason" <ralph.mason@...> 2001/10/26

I would rather have the option to require declaration of all variables.

[#23619] sleeping, calling methods inside class defs — Tobias Reif <tobiasreif@...>

ruby 1.6.3 (2001-03-19) [i386-cygwin]

15 messages 2001/10/27
[#23621] Re: sleeping, calling methods inside class defs — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2001/10/27

Hello --

[#23658] How to get a String to interpolate itself? — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson)

11 messages 2001/10/28

[#23668] Ruby's use of cygwin and commercial use! — Sunil Hadap <hadap@...>

Hi,

23 messages 2001/10/28
[#23865] Re: Ruby's use of cygwin and commercial use! — "Benoit Cerrina" <benoit.cerrina@...> 2001/10/30

[#23866] Overiding a method in another module — "Mark Hahn" <mchahn@...> 2001/10/30

I want to write a module that overrides a method in another module. I have

[#23885] RE: Overiding a method in another module — "Mark Hahn" <mchahn@...> 2001/10/31

[#23893] Re: Overiding a method in another module — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2001/10/31

Hello --

[#23713] Some inspirations from REBOL — Robert Feldt <feldt@...>

Hi,

42 messages 2001/10/29
[#23735] RE: Some inspirations from REBOL — "Ryan Leavengood" <mrcode@...> 2001/10/29

> However, it's got some nice properties that my friend has been

[#23738] Re: Some inspirations from REBOL — Michael Neumann <neumann@...> 2001/10/29

Ryan Leavengood wrote:

[#23764] Re: Some inspirations from REBOL — Robert Feldt <feldt@...> 2001/10/29

On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Ryan Leavengood wrote:

[#23769] RubyGems Status (was: Re: Some inspirations from REBOL) — "Ryan Leavengood" <mrcode@...> 2001/10/29

> Any news on RubyGems? I'm not pushing you just wanting a status report

[#23773] Re: RubyGems Status (was: Re: Some inspirations from REBOL) — Robert Feldt <feldt@...> 2001/10/29

On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Ryan Leavengood wrote:

[#23779] Re: RubyGems Status (was: Re: Some inspirations from REBOL) — "Ryan Leavengood" <mrcode@...> 2001/10/29

> Release to CVS as quickly as possible!

[#23783] Re: RubyGems Status (was: Re: Some inspirations from REBOL) — Robert Feldt <feldt@...> 2001/10/29

On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Ryan Leavengood wrote:

[#23786] Re: RubyGems Status (was: Re: Some inspirations from REBOL) — Neil Conway <nconway@...> 2001/10/30

On Mon, 2001-10-29 at 18:56, Robert Feldt wrote:

[#23793] Re: RubyGems Status (was: Re: Someinspirations from REBOL) — "Rich Kilmer" <rich@...> 2001/10/30

OK...here's an idea for making a Gem a Ruby executable file...

[#23768] RCR: Fun with attribute shortcuts solves RCR #3 and more — Gunnar Andersson <dff180@...>

Hi everyone, remember this?

19 messages 2001/10/29

[#23868] Re: Ruby's use of cygwin and commercial use! — Andrew Hunt <andy@...>

Benoit says:

14 messages 2001/10/30

[#23876] New RubyGarden Poll: Windows support — Dave Thomas <Dave@...>

28 messages 2001/10/30
[#23891] Re: New RubyGarden Poll: Windows support — "Nat Pryce" <nat.pryce@...13media.com> 2001/10/31

Please! Don't vote for what you think will win. Vote for what you actually

[#23896] Re: New RubyGarden Poll: Windows support — "Curt Hibbs" <curt@...> 2001/10/31

What would MinGW buy us over straight MSVC? Since MinGW ultimately uses the

[#23915] Re: New RubyGarden Poll: Windows support — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson) 2001/10/31

In article <NCBBJBPADKGIOFLDNEALMEHKFFAA.curt@hibbs.com>,

[#23882] RubyGems Discussion — "Ryan Leavengood" <RyanL@...>

Wow, there has been a lot of discussion related to RubyGems over the

19 messages 2001/10/30

[#23904] Test::Unit = Lapidary + RubyUnit — "Nathaniel Talbott" <ntalbott@...>

I've been in discussions with Masaki Suketa and Ken McKinlay about the

12 messages 2001/10/31

[#23959] Creating charts from Ruby — Robert Feldt <feldt@...>

Hi,

16 messages 2001/10/31

[ruby-talk:22140] Variables, constants, and scopes in Ruby

From: Alan Stern <stern@...>
Date: 2001-10-05 21:02:05 UTC
List: ruby-talk #22140
I'm having a lot of trouble understanding how scopes and variable
storage work in Ruby.  The section on Scopes of Constants and
Variables in "Programming Ruby" is not explicit enough to help.  For
example, it says: "Constants may not be defined in methods."  Does
this mean that the definition can not be statically within a method,
or dynamically within a method?  This question, at least, can be
answered by a simple test:

	$ ruby
	class A
	  def m
	    C = 1
	-:3: dynamic constant assignment
	    C = 1
	       ^

Clearly static inclusion is bad.

	$ ruby
	class B
	  def m(x)
	    eval x
	  end
	end

	obj = B.new
	obj.m("C = 2")
	p B::C

This produces 2 as output.  So dynamic inclusion is okay.  But there's no
way to tell this just by reading the book.

As I understand it, scopes are implemented by the Ruby interpreter by
creating name tables, and pushing and popping them onto some stack as it
runs.  Names are recognized and associated with objects by means of
these tables.  But this vague explanation leaves a lot unsaid.

There must be separate name tables for local variables, instance
variables, class variables, and constants.  (As an example, each
object must contain a table of its own instance variables.  And I
assume each class object must contain a table of its class variables
-- is that so?)  At what times are these tables created?  Where are
they stored?  When do they get pushed/popped on the name-lookup stack?
Is there more than one such stack for the various types of names?
What tables are associated with the top level (outside of all method
definitions)?  How does loading a file wrapped in an anonymous module
protect the caller's namespace?

What are the rules for how far to search the stack for a name?  Method
invocation creates new stack frames that do not get searched for local
variables:

	$ ruby
	def m
	  i = 1
	  n
	  p i
	end

	def n
	  i = 2
	end

	m

prints out 1, not 2.  But when a block is executed, the stack frame
that was active when the block was created does get searched for local
variables:

	$ ruby
	i = 1

	def m
	  yield
	end

	m { i = 2 }
	p i

prints out 2.  What are the corresponding rules for constants?

How do meta-classes interact with these name-searching rules?  A class
method is actually stored as an instance method of the class's
meta-class.  (I know that sounds remarkably cryptic.  It means that
the code

	class A
	  def A.m
	  end
	end

actually results in the creation of an anonymous meta-class, which I
will call A', and stores the method m as an instance method in A'.)
By analogy, I would expect that class variables should actually be
stored as instance variables, either in the class or in the class's
meta-class.  But apparently this is not so; the following code
demonstrates both these points:

	$ ruby
	class A
	  def m
	    @v = 0
	    @@w = 1
	  end
	  def A.n
	  end
	end

	x = A.new
	x.m

	print "x instance variables: #{x.instance_variables}\n"
	print "A instance variables: #{A.instance_variables}\n"
	print "A class variables: #{A.class_variables}\n"
	print "A instance methods: #{A.instance_methods(false)}\n"

	class << A      # Get access to the meta-class for A
	print "A' instance variables: #{self.instance_variables}\n"
	print "A' class variables: #{self.class_variables}\n"
	print "A' instance methods: #{self.instance_methods(false)}\n"
	end

This produces as output:

	x instance variables: @v
	A instance variables:
	A class variables: @@w
	A instance methods: m
	A' instance variables:
	A' class variables: @@w
	A' instance methods: n

Apparently there is special treatment for class variables.  So where do
they get stored?


There's probably a lot more questions I could ask along these lines,
but this is enough for one message.  I would appreciate comments from
anybody to help clear up some of these points.

Alan Stern

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