[#21872] Let's work on Windows support — Dave Thomas <Dave@...>

98 messages 2001/10/01
[#21957] Re: Let's work on Windows support — "Benoit Cerrina" <benoit.cerrina@...> 2001/10/02

> I seem to remember that versions of Python compiled with MinGW can't have

[#21960] Re: Let's work on Windows support — "Furio R. Filoseta (tlf.)" <furifilo901@...> 2001/10/02

I am just a developer, not a Guru, but it seems to me that the .NET way

[#21963] Re: Let's work on Windows support — Albert Wagner <alwagner@...> 2001/10/03

On Tuesday 02 October 2001 18:20, you wrote:

[#21965] Re: Let's work on Windows support — "Furio R. Filoseta (tlf.)" <furifilo901@...> 2001/10/03

Come on, for Ruby developers in Windows environment. You may as well be

[#21969] Re: Let's work on Windows support — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2001/10/03

Hello --

[#22153] Re: Let's work on Windows support — "Conrad Schneiker" <schneiker@...> 2001/10/06

Hi,

[#22154] Re: Let's work on Windows support — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2001/10/06

Hello --

[#22167] Re: Let's work on Windows support — Mathieu Bouchard <matju@...> 2001/10/06

On Sat, 6 Oct 2001, David Alan Black wrote:

[#22183] Re: Let's work on Windows support — "Furio R. Filoseta (tlf.)" <furifilo901@...> 2001/10/07

Who cares if they ditch the standard ? They will still have to be self

[#21959] Flogging a live Window — Eli Green <eli.green@...>

Ok, I wanted to get away from the theory and conjecture thread of the

23 messages 2001/10/02

[#22003] Marshal won't dump a Proc — "HarryO" <harryo@...>

I would really like to be able to dump a block of code via Marshal#dump,

17 messages 2001/10/03

[#22107] The Windows question still remains... — Robert Hicks <bobhicks@...>

VC++

17 messages 2001/10/04
[#22111] Re: The Windows question still remains... — Robert Hicks <bobhicks@...> 2001/10/05

Shan-leung Maverick WOO wrote:

[#22166] dRuby, Linux and ports — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson)

13 messages 2001/10/06

[#22219] - BRITNEY SPEARS NAKED----WOW!!!!!! — -.597i1468vn4848nc3958vn32858238@...

BRITNEY SPEARS COCK SUCKING VIDEO---EXCLUSIVE!!!

19 messages 2001/10/08

[#22257] [Newbie] Switching from Perl : suffling — Damien WYART <damien.wyart@...>

Dear All,

13 messages 2001/10/08

[#22299] Re: Less than 4 days now... — Andrew Hunt <andy@...>

>> Is everyone ready for the

27 messages 2001/10/09
[#22300] Re: Less than 4 days now... — Robert Feldt <feldt@...> 2001/10/09

Hi,

[#22310] Re: Less than 4 days now... — Dave Thomas <Dave@...> 2001/10/09

"Hal E. Fulton" <hal9000@hypermetrics.com> writes:

[#22316] Re: Less than 4 days now... — Todd Gillespie <toddg@...> 2001/10/09

On Tue, 9 Oct 2001, Dave Thomas wrote:

[#22320] Re: Less than 4 days now... — Dave Thomas <Dave@...> 2001/10/09

Todd Gillespie <toddg@mail.ma.utexas.edu> writes:

[#22347] Re: Less than 4 days now... — Robert Feldt <feldt@...> 2001/10/09

On Wed, 10 Oct 2001, Dave Thomas wrote:

[#22325] blocks with min and max — Mark Slagell <ms@...>

I don't know if this has been raised before, but I'd like to be able to

17 messages 2001/10/09

[#22405] list comprehensions alike Python ??? — markus jais <info@...>

hello

20 messages 2001/10/10
[#22407] Re: list comprehensions alike Python ??? — Robert Feldt <feldt@...> 2001/10/10

On Thu, 11 Oct 2001, markus jais wrote:

[#22411] Re: list comprehensions alike Python ??? — Paul Prescod <paul@...> 2001/10/11

Robert Feldt wrote:

[#22432] OSSL opinion — Michal Rokos <rokosm@...>

Hello!

16 messages 2001/10/11

[#22465] Learn Ruby/Tk or Ruby/GTK? && Problems with these. — "dAHen" <steensland@...>

Hi!

45 messages 2001/10/12
[#22472] Re: Learn Ruby/Tk or Ruby/GTK? && Problems with these. — "dAHen" <steensland@...> 2001/10/12

ts> No, you just need to have the header files and libraries for tcl/tk and

[#22520] Re: Learn Ruby/Tk or Ruby/GTK? — Kevin Smith <kevinbsmith@...> 2001/10/14

--- dAHen <steensland@hotmail.com> wrote:

[#22613] Re: Learn Ruby/Tk or Ruby/GTK? — stesch@... (Stefan Scholl) 2001/10/16

On 2001-10-15 19:58:29Z, Christopher Sawtell <csawtell@paradise.net.nz> wrote:

[#22625] Re: Learn Ruby/Tk or Ruby/GTK? — Kevin Smith <kevinbsmith@...> 2001/10/16

--- Stefan Scholl <stesch@no-spoon.de> wrote:

[#22632] Re: Learn Ruby/Tk or Ruby/GTK? — "Mark Hahn" <mchahn@...> 2001/10/16

[#22645] What about FLTK? — "Mark Hahn" <mchahn@...> 2001/10/16

[#22652] Re: What about FLTK? — Kevin Smith <kevinbsmith@...> 2001/10/17

--- Mark Hahn <mchahn@facelink.com> wrote:

[#22656] Re: What about FLTK? — "Mark Hahn" <mchahn@...> 2001/10/17

That's good to know. It makes me more comfortable to proceed assuming FLTK.

[#22494] extracting from delimited text files — Albert Wagner <alwagner@...>

What is the simplist way to extract fields from standard quoted, comma

23 messages 2001/10/13
[#22496] Re: extracting from delimited text files — Robert Linder <robert_linder_2000@...> 2001/10/13

Check out http://ruby.yi.org/raa/en/all.html

[#22502] Open-ended ranges — Sean Russell <ser@...>

Before I post an RCR on this, I'd like to solicit information from the more

11 messages 2001/10/14
[#22503] Re: Open-ended ranges — Robert Feldt <feldt@...> 2001/10/14

On Sun, 14 Oct 2001, Sean Russell wrote:

[#22766] ANN: RuEdit - introspective Ruby editor — phlip_cpp@... (Phlip)

Here's the README file from http://sourceforge.net/projects/ruedit :

31 messages 2001/10/19

[#22769] How to Convert String to Regex to Perform Exact Match — William Djaja Tjokroaminata <billtj@...>

Hi,

10 messages 2001/10/19

[#22867] RE: I need some help!! — Mikkel Bruun <mikkel.bruun@...>

uhhmm...

14 messages 2001/10/21
[#22883] Re: I need some help!! — Tobias Reif <tobiasreif@...> 2001/10/21

Mikkel Bruun wrote:

[#22886] Re: I need some help!! — "Avdi B. Grimm" <avdi@...> 2001/10/21

On Sun, 2001-10-21 at 15:26, Tobias Reif wrote:

[#22871] Preaching Ruby to the masses. How? — Kent Dahl <kentda@...>

Hi.

17 messages 2001/10/21

[#23063] Bruce Eckel's opinion of Ruby — "Rich Kilmer" <rich@...>

Ouch!

178 messages 2001/10/23
[#23076] Re: Bruce Eckel's opinion of Ruby — Eric Lee Green <eric@...> 2001/10/23

On Tuesday 23 October 2001 11:20, you wrote:

[#23084] Re: Bruce Eckel's opinion of Ruby — Michael Neumann <neumann@...> 2001/10/23

Eric Lee Green wrote:

[#23087] Re: Bruce Eckel's opinion of Ruby — Eric Lee Green <eric@...> 2001/10/23

On Tuesday 23 October 2001 13:25, you wrote:

[#23088] Re: Bruce Eckel's opinion of Ruby — Robert Feldt <feldt@...> 2001/10/23

On Wed, 24 Oct 2001, Eric Lee Green wrote:

[#23096] Re: Bruce Eckel's opinion of Ruby — "Rich Kilmer" <rich@...> 2001/10/23

[#23099] Re: Bruce Eckel's opinion of Ruby — Robert Feldt <feldt@...> 2001/10/23

On Wed, 24 Oct 2001, Rich Kilmer wrote:

[#23090] Re: Bruce Eckel's opinion of Ruby — Paul Brannan <pbrannan@...> 2001/10/23

On Wed, 24 Oct 2001, Michael Neumann wrote:

[#23085] Re: Bruce Eckel's opinion of Ruby — Robert Feldt <feldt@...> 2001/10/23

Hi Eric and thanks for your detailed comments,

[#23119] Re: Bruce Eckel's opinion of Ruby — Sean Russell <ser@...> 2001/10/23

Eric Lee Green wrote:

[#23141] Re: Bruce Eckel's opinion of Ruby — Emiliano <emile@...> 2001/10/24

Sean Russell wrote:

[#23219] Re: Bruce Eckel's opinion of Ruby — Sean Russell <ser@...> 2001/10/24

Emiliano wrote:

[#23221] Re: Bruce Eckel's opinion of Ruby — Emiliano <emile@...> 2001/10/24

Sean Russell wrote:

[#23259] Re: Bruce Eckel's opinion of Ruby — Sean Russell <ser@...> 2001/10/25

Emiliano wrote:

[#23264] Re: Bruce Eckel's opinion of Ruby — Emiliano <emile@...> 2001/10/25

Sean Russell wrote:

[#23439] Re: Issues with white space [was Re: Bruce Eckel's opinion of Ruby] — Sean Russell <ser@...> 2001/10/26

Raja S. wrote:

[#23447] Re: Issues with white space [was Re: Bruce Eckel's opinion of Ruby] — ts <decoux@...> 2001/10/26

>>>>> "S" == Sean Russell <ser@efn.org> writes:

[#23108] Re: Bruce Eckel's opinion of Ruby — Sean Russell <ser@...> 2001/10/23

Emiliano wrote:

[#23214] () vs (...) in header files — Paul Brannan <pbrannan@...>

There is a serious problem with including ruby.h and intern.h in C++

14 messages 2001/10/24
[#23283] Re: () vs (...) in header files — ts <decoux@...> 2001/10/25

>>>>> "P" == Paul Brannan <pbrannan@atdesk.com> writes:

[#23248] [ANN] RubyInRubyParser 0.1-pre-alpha — markus liedl <markus.lado@...>

53 messages 2001/10/25
[#23323] Re: [ANN] RubyInRubyParser 0.1-pre-alpha — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson) 2001/10/25

In article <5.1.0.14.0.20011025083950.00bc30b0@mercury.sabren.com>,

[#23336] Re: [ANN] RubyInRubyParser 0.1-pre-alpha — Jimmy Thrasher <jjthrash@...> 2001/10/25

At 02:54 AM 10/26/2001 +0900, you wrote:

[#23350] Re: GUI / was [ANN] RubyInRubyParser 0.1-pre-alpha — markus liedl <markus.lado@...> 2001/10/25

> having a native window with a canvas which Ruby draws on using the BitBlt

[#23355] Re: GUI / was [ANN] RubyInRubyParser 0.1-pre-alpha — "Rich Kilmer" <rich@...> 2001/10/25

I wrote a sophisticated lightweight component framework on Java (before Swing) that was very fast. Of course, writing it in a "higher level" language adds overhead, but not as much overhead as bad design ;-) If you could have low-level primitives written natively and layer higher level constructs with Ruby, I think you could build a very responsive UI.

[#23369] Re: GUI / was [ANN] RubyInRubyParser 0.1-pre-alpha — Eli Green <eli.green@...> 2001/10/25

I never understood why Swing was so slow. I do know, however, that Swing is

[#23371] Re: GUI / was [ANN] RubyInRubyParser 0.1-pre-alpha — Avi Bryant <avi@...4.com> 2001/10/25

On Fri, 26 Oct 2001, Eli Green wrote:

[#23261] Ruby macros — Leo <lraz@...>

Hi Ruby experts,

19 messages 2001/10/25

[#23318] class Foo does not call Class.new? — Brian Marick <marick@...>

It seems that this:

25 messages 2001/10/25
[#23358] Re: class Foo does not call Class.new? — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2001/10/25

Hi,

[#23360] Re: class Foo does not call Class.new? — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2001/10/25

Hello --

[#23395] Re: class Foo does not call Class.new? — matz@... (Yukihiro Matsumoto) 2001/10/26

Hi,

[#23680] Re: ref. constructors and new (was: Re: class Foo does not call Class.new?) — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2001/10/28

Hello --

[#23396] Ruby and Python: a fuzzy question — Dave Thomas <Dave@...>

37 messages 2001/10/26
[#23406] Re: Ruby and Python: a fuzzy question — "F. GEIGER" <fgeiger@...> 2001/10/26

Python and Ruby both are write/read scripting languages, which are in one or

[#23544] Fast reply needed: class var trouble — Robert Feldt <feldt@...>

Ok its getting late over here in sweden and I'm tired. Can someone please

21 messages 2001/10/26
[#23548] RE: Fast reply needed: class var trouble — "Rich Kilmer" <rich@...> 2001/10/26

[#23555] Re: Fast reply needed: class var trouble — Robert Feldt <feldt@...> 2001/10/26

On Sat, 27 Oct 2001, Rich Kilmer wrote:

[#23557] Re: Fast reply needed: class var trouble — "Rich Kilmer" <rich@...> 2001/10/26

because you defined:

[#23558] Re: Fast reply needed: class var trouble — Robert Feldt <feldt@...> 2001/10/26

On Sat, 27 Oct 2001, Rich Kilmer wrote:

[#23561] Re: Fast reply needed: class var trouble — "Ralph Mason" <ralph.mason@...> 2001/10/26

I would rather have the option to require declaration of all variables.

[#23619] sleeping, calling methods inside class defs — Tobias Reif <tobiasreif@...>

ruby 1.6.3 (2001-03-19) [i386-cygwin]

15 messages 2001/10/27
[#23621] Re: sleeping, calling methods inside class defs — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2001/10/27

Hello --

[#23658] How to get a String to interpolate itself? — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson)

11 messages 2001/10/28

[#23668] Ruby's use of cygwin and commercial use! — Sunil Hadap <hadap@...>

Hi,

23 messages 2001/10/28
[#23865] Re: Ruby's use of cygwin and commercial use! — "Benoit Cerrina" <benoit.cerrina@...> 2001/10/30

[#23866] Overiding a method in another module — "Mark Hahn" <mchahn@...> 2001/10/30

I want to write a module that overrides a method in another module. I have

[#23885] RE: Overiding a method in another module — "Mark Hahn" <mchahn@...> 2001/10/31

[#23893] Re: Overiding a method in another module — David Alan Black <dblack@...> 2001/10/31

Hello --

[#23713] Some inspirations from REBOL — Robert Feldt <feldt@...>

Hi,

42 messages 2001/10/29
[#23735] RE: Some inspirations from REBOL — "Ryan Leavengood" <mrcode@...> 2001/10/29

> However, it's got some nice properties that my friend has been

[#23738] Re: Some inspirations from REBOL — Michael Neumann <neumann@...> 2001/10/29

Ryan Leavengood wrote:

[#23764] Re: Some inspirations from REBOL — Robert Feldt <feldt@...> 2001/10/29

On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Ryan Leavengood wrote:

[#23769] RubyGems Status (was: Re: Some inspirations from REBOL) — "Ryan Leavengood" <mrcode@...> 2001/10/29

> Any news on RubyGems? I'm not pushing you just wanting a status report

[#23773] Re: RubyGems Status (was: Re: Some inspirations from REBOL) — Robert Feldt <feldt@...> 2001/10/29

On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Ryan Leavengood wrote:

[#23779] Re: RubyGems Status (was: Re: Some inspirations from REBOL) — "Ryan Leavengood" <mrcode@...> 2001/10/29

> Release to CVS as quickly as possible!

[#23783] Re: RubyGems Status (was: Re: Some inspirations from REBOL) — Robert Feldt <feldt@...> 2001/10/29

On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Ryan Leavengood wrote:

[#23786] Re: RubyGems Status (was: Re: Some inspirations from REBOL) — Neil Conway <nconway@...> 2001/10/30

On Mon, 2001-10-29 at 18:56, Robert Feldt wrote:

[#23793] Re: RubyGems Status (was: Re: Someinspirations from REBOL) — "Rich Kilmer" <rich@...> 2001/10/30

OK...here's an idea for making a Gem a Ruby executable file...

[#23768] RCR: Fun with attribute shortcuts solves RCR #3 and more — Gunnar Andersson <dff180@...>

Hi everyone, remember this?

19 messages 2001/10/29

[#23868] Re: Ruby's use of cygwin and commercial use! — Andrew Hunt <andy@...>

Benoit says:

14 messages 2001/10/30

[#23876] New RubyGarden Poll: Windows support — Dave Thomas <Dave@...>

28 messages 2001/10/30
[#23891] Re: New RubyGarden Poll: Windows support — "Nat Pryce" <nat.pryce@...13media.com> 2001/10/31

Please! Don't vote for what you think will win. Vote for what you actually

[#23896] Re: New RubyGarden Poll: Windows support — "Curt Hibbs" <curt@...> 2001/10/31

What would MinGW buy us over straight MSVC? Since MinGW ultimately uses the

[#23915] Re: New RubyGarden Poll: Windows support — ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson) 2001/10/31

In article <NCBBJBPADKGIOFLDNEALMEHKFFAA.curt@hibbs.com>,

[#23882] RubyGems Discussion — "Ryan Leavengood" <RyanL@...>

Wow, there has been a lot of discussion related to RubyGems over the

19 messages 2001/10/30

[#23904] Test::Unit = Lapidary + RubyUnit — "Nathaniel Talbott" <ntalbott@...>

I've been in discussions with Masaki Suketa and Ken McKinlay about the

12 messages 2001/10/31

[#23959] Creating charts from Ruby — Robert Feldt <feldt@...>

Hi,

16 messages 2001/10/31

[ruby-talk:21914] Re: Let's work on Windows support

From: ptkwt@...1.aracnet.com (Phil Tomson)
Date: 2001-10-02 02:51:04 UTC
List: ruby-talk #21914
In article <3BB8E096.C819F3BD@uark.edu>,
Albert L. Wagner <alwagner@uark.edu> wrote:
>
>
>"Guy N. Hurst" wrote:
>> 
>> Robert Hicks wrote:
>
>I currently develope on both windows at work and linux at home. 
>My source, from either platform, runs on either platform.  The
>only discrepancies I have encountered are with GUI differences,
>not Ruby.
>
>> 
>> I think ruby should be delivered from the cygwin womb and learn to
>> stand on its own on the windows platform. You might hear a brief outcry,
>> but that should be considered normal ;-)
>
>The outcry will be loud and more than brief.  This remark seems
>somewhat insensitive.
>
 
Not really.  I don't think he's saying that we just dump Windows, but that 
we need to consider an alternative to cygwin which we control.  If we 
embark on that road it will be fraught with bugs itself for quite a while 
(hence the comment about the outcry), but perhaps that is the best road to 
take in the long run.

There seem to be a couple of big issues here:
1) cross platform compatiblity - we'd like scripts (even scripts which do 
things like process control for example) to run on major platforms with as 
little change between them as possible - preferably with no changes 
to scripts at all.

As an example: You'll still have a 'system' command in the Windows 
version.  Currently, the underlying code for making 'system' work is 
written from a Unix perspective and we rely on cygwin to make the 
translations for us (correct?)  If we were to dump cygwin, then we'd need 
some underlying C code that (if you're building on Windows) would call 
'CreateProcess' from the Win32 API instead.

2)Control - The Ruby community relies on an external component, 
cygwin, 
which provides a unix compatibility layer for Windows.  So currently, 
when someone finds a problem related to cygwin in the Windows version of 
Ruby, people tell them to try mingw, or a build done with VC++ (and 
each of those solutions pose their own sets of problems) The Ruby 
community doesn't control cygwin, so bugs in cygwin end up making the Windows 
version of Ruby look bad - but there isn't a lot we can do but submit 
bugs to the cygwin folks.  Now, whether or not we can do better is still 
an open question (or at the very least, how long it will take to do 
better).  

Someone earlier in the thread asked why Python (and I could add Perl) 
doesn't have this problem - I think the answer is that ActiveState has 
done a lot of work on the windows ports of those languages.  Prior to the 
ActiveState port of Perl for Windows, I think the Perl community struggled 
with a lot of the same issues.  One solution would be to convince 
ActiveState to do a port of Ruby for Windows, but I'm not sure they feel 
that the incentives are there yet.  What would it take to convince 
them?

Phil 

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