From: Ryan Davis <ryand-ruby@...>
Date: 2006-09-21T05:06:41+09:00
Subject: Re: [ANN] Hoe 1.0 released


On Sep 20, 2006, at 11:26 AM, khaines@enigo.com wrote:

> On Thu, 21 Sep 2006, Ryan Davis wrote:
>
>>
>> On Sep 20, 2006, at 7:15 AM, khaines@enigo.com wrote:
>>
>>> How does the use case for Hoe differ from REAP?
>>> http://reap.rubyforge.org/
>>
>> Farmer Ted likes simplicity and clarity, not obfuscation and bulk:
>>
>> % find hoe -type f | grep -v svn | xargs wc -l | tail -1
>>     345 total
>>
>> % find reap-6.0.2 -type f | xargs wc -l | tail -1
>>   16301 total
>> % find facets-1.7.46 -type f | xargs wc -l | tail -1
>>   67091 total
>>
>>> Since REAP tasks can be used as rake tasks, there seems to me to  
>>> be a lot of overlap between the two projects.  Yes?  No?
>>
>> no, there is very little overlap, because my project is so small.
>
> At least compare apples to apples there.
>
> % find reap-6.0.2/lib/ -type f -name "*.rb" | xargs wc -l | tail -1
>    3191 total
> % find rake-0.7.1/lib/ -type f -name "*.rb" | xargs wc -l | tail -1
>    3201 total

You need to learn your fruits! It just so happens Farmer Ted is a  
fruit farmer these days and even he agrees your rebuke is without  
merit. You yourself asked "How does the use case for Hoe differ from  
REAP" and that is what I compared. Besides, by just comparing .rb  
files you're hiding plenty of complexity:

% find reap-6.0.2 -type f | xargs wc -l | tail -1
    16301 total
% find rake-0.7.1 -type f | xargs wc -l | tail -1
     8694 total

I don't write rake. I don't maintain rake. I get it for free so it  
isn't my problem and isn't part of the comparison. If you want to ask  
someone to compare/contrast how reap and rake differ, ask trans and  
jim, not me.

> The discussion of what the actual line counts of the projects are,  
> though, seems to be a diversion away from my question.
>
> I am actually interested in where capabilities between reap and rake 
> +hoe overlap and differ, and I figured that you must have looked at  
> reap before writing your own set of tools and would have some  
> constructive thoughts on the differences.

No, I never looked at reap. I wouldn't touch it or facets with  
someone else's ten foot pole.