From: Austin Ziegler Date: 2006-09-15T21:00:03+09:00 Subject: Re: Metaruby, BFTS, Cardinal and Rubicon - State of play? On 9/15/06, Isaac Gouy wrote: > Austin Ziegler wrote: > > On 9/14/06, Ryan Davis wrote: > > > On Sep 13, 2006, at 7:59 AM, Austin Ziegler wrote: > > > > I'd be happier if Mr Tew didn't try to lend legitimacy to the alioth > > > > shootout. Microbenchmarks don't show anything useful, even if they're > > > > run correctly -- which the shootout has never been run correctly. It > > > > isn't even administered correctly. (I was similarly annoyed that Joel > > > > Spolsky used it in his latest slam on Ruby. Stupid, Joel, stupid.) > > > Thank you, once again, for derailing a thread with your personal > > > vendetta. > > Look. We *know* that the shootout is crap. We've known this for three > > years now. But we *still* have people come in and use it for a variety > > of reasons, most of which are completely bogus. > I just read the comment you made on Pat Eyler's blog. > You do seem to be engaged in a personal vendetta. > That's a shame. It wouldn't be necessary if you made the changes that I recommended two years ago, so that people take what you've done a hell of a lot less seriously, or that you take it a lot more seriously and do some rigorous analysis and reject invalid submissions. As it stands, you refuse to do either. So, yes, I *will* bring up the fact that the shootout is a "silly place" every time anyone refers to it for serious matters. It's not worth looking at because you pimp it yet refuse to take responsibility for ensuring quality results. The shootout is utterly worthless, Ed Borasky's opinions notwithstanding. To make it useful, you need to start weeding out bad implementations and bad assumptions, which you have yet to do despite being told about this problem at least two years ago. -austin -- Austin Ziegler * halostatue@gmail.com * http://www.halostatue.ca/ * austin@halostatue.ca * http://www.halostatue.ca/feed/ * austin@zieglers.ca