From: Ilan Berci Date: 2006-09-11T23:57:40+09:00 Subject: Re: Sun hires JRuby developers. David Vallner wrote: > > The best I can say is that I expect that it will be a good thing for > someone. Since Java pays my bills, I wouldn't complain if JRuby brought > benefits on that side of the fence. And then again, you get things like > very decent support for newer W3C standards in Java libs soon, and being > able to at least bite your teeth on them earlier -and- using a language > you prefer is good for Rubyists too. > David, that whole response was simply fantastic and hit the nail on the head as to why Java's has a strong hold on the server. If I could add anything, it would be to say that I think there are a great number of us who are dissatisfied with the language itself (especially after tinkering around with Ruby) but are so accustomed to the wonderfull tools (jboss, apache, objectweb, hibernate, spring, struts, etc...) that we just stick it out. Secondly, it's always an uphill battle trying to win over management due to most being set in their ways and not seeing the value of taking a calculated risk in order to drastically reduce maintenance/delivery/support/development times/cost. They tend to wait until they see others adopting it and will only then stroll on over to discuss it. Once Sun is supporting Ruby on the JVM (which I hope/believe is their goal), it will be far easier to adopt it into existing frameworks and the sell to management will be much easier. One of the things that I am wondering about now is the potential conflict between Yarv/rite and JRuby's JVM implementation. My guess is that yarv is capitalizing on Ruby's strengths while the jvm model is focussing on getting it to work in the Java way of doing things. (On JRuby's homepage, the limitations of the adoption of Ruby onto the JVM are noted) Anyways, I hope that this will be a non issue and won't deter Yarv's (or JRuby's) success in any way but would love to hear more about it if anyone has something to add. ilan -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.