From: kate rhodes Date: 2006-09-11T07:38:47+09:00 Subject: Re: Joel Spolsky on languages for web programmingr I'm sorry, but i just need to step into this and point out what should have been obvious ages ago.... You can't compare .net and Rails. It's like comparing the JVM or Parrot and Rails. It makes no sense. .NET and the JVM and Parrot are just virtual machines that by themself contribute absolutely nothing to the productivity of a web developer. Or for a non-programmer analogy it's like saying that the contstruction company makes the architect more productive. I'm sorry but it doesn't. Yes they come into contact but the architect / developers productivity issues are no longer an issue when the construction company / virtual machine comes in to do it's work. And while we're on the topic, can you (all of you) please explain to the managers at your company that .net isn't a language and *nothing* is "written in .net" - kate = masukomi