From: "M. Edward (Ed) Borasky" <znmeb@...>
Date: 2006-08-28T06:11:04+09:00
Subject: Re: Why Ruby does not nead an ide

Charles O Nutter wrote:

> It's not really a fair comparison. If you built an Emacs with all the
> capabilities of an Eclipse, it would make use of a large number of
> platform-specific libraries that are already present for many other
> purposes. Almost all the libraries listed in your emerge output are Java
> libraries unrelated to Eclipse that provide similar features to those
> native
> libraries.
Uh yeah ... Eclipse is a Java IDE. As I noted elsewhere, "xemacs-sumo"
is also huge. And also as I noted elsewhere, I don't use Emacs or XEmacs.

> The down side of using Java in this case is that many wheels had
> to be reinvented...note jzlib, for example. The up side is that those
> libraries almost always "just work" without modification or even
> recompilation on other platforms.
Uh yeah ... Eclipse is a Java IDE. :)

> The other half of this is some Gentoo
> stupidness...since Gentoo builds everything from scratch, it pulls in a
> vast
> number of projects to build Eclipse that are in many cases not even
> necessary for running Eclipse, since the tools to build Eclipse are also
> written in Java and have many of their own dependencies...etc etc. I
> *rarely* use Gentoo to completely rebuild Java apps, since it's usually
> totally unnecessary; prebuilt binaries will be exactly as fast and run
> without modification.

I think Gentoo does have a pre-built Eclipse, though I think it's only 3.2.
> 
> It might be more fair to compare a prebuilt Eclipse, since Emacs benefits
> from most of the libraries and tools it needs already existing on most *NIX
> environments. On my system, where Java is prevalent, installing Eclipse
> involves only a couple packages. Or perhaps compare Eclipse to building
> Emacs and all its native library dependencies, including for example libc.
> 

Well, since you're a Java developer, what is your reaction to

"OK -- here's Rails. You don't need any of that junk.
Just open up a couple of konsole or xterm or cmd windows and a browser,
edit a couple of config files and Ruby scripts in vi or emacs or
notepad, and you're on the air!"  :)

"Oh yeah ... We don't use ant, we use rake. We don't use junit ..."