From: Guido Sohne Date: 2006-07-21T23:51:21+09:00 Subject: Re: One-Click Installer: MinGW? or VC2005? On 7/21/06, Lothar Scholz wrote: > s> 10% is a LOT! I'd like to see these numbers that proove 10%. > s> I'd be sure there is a difference but 10% is ridiculous. > > I measured this with my machine. I only did a -O3 with gcc so maybe i > missed something but i wont out of box optimization. Umm. This is not really a sensible argument. What does out of the box optimization have to do with anything? Too lazy to type -O2 !? Not to mention that you mention 10% difference in performance which doesn't match up with the sudoku example posted. > s> And how close to the C++ spec was vc6? it was ABYSMAL! Its better in > s> vc2005. > > gcc broke plain C, not C++. Great. So you want a broken compiler now? And again, what does this have to do with the point being raised, which is totally ignored? C++ is borken enough between compilers and versions of compilers without mainstream vendors making it worse by shipping crappy implementations. > And i don't care about spec's but i care about the millions of lines of > code that are out there in the world and the dozens of millions of money it > needs to convert them. My conclusion since this day is and still is > never trust the GCC team. Hell, I don't trust *you* based on what you are saying here. You are probably the type who doesn't care about web standards either because of the millions of Internet Explorer browsers out there in the world. Right up until you discover you're getting hacked through the buggy implementation and can't switch away because others who think like you have made it impossible to use the web without that particular browser. I call that busy work. Creating extra needless work and hassle for yourself because you are too short sighted to follow standards. Consider that if Microsoft had bothered to follow standards we wouldn't even need to be discussing this. Or is that what you call 'innovation'? > s> The VC++2005 Express is 474mb download > > Hmm, i must say i hadn't looked at it, the VC6++ free download was > something like 10 MB but i think Express does no contain the whole > IDE. And if Express doesn't contain the whole IDE that's a whole lot more to download isn't it? > >> To cut a long story short: I don't trust MinGW. > > s> I smell a rat. Most of your complaints are bogus. > No. Most of the projects that run in great trouble by choosing wrong > tools didn't had these problems for technical reasons. More projects fail from wrong people than from wrong tools. If the tool is so hot and important, why is Vista so late if the VC2005 compiler is such hot stuff to avoid 'great trouble'? > s> Doesnt microsofts license forbid redistribution of VC Express anyway? > Maybe. But because i think the one click installer shouldn't include the > compiler this is not a valid argument for me. Complete noise. No meaningful contribution except shilling for what appears to be a dead end and inferior product. So because you don't want the compiler we all should go and dance on the moon? -- G.