From: Austin Ziegler Date: 2006-06-15T21:37:36+09:00 Subject: Re: ruby-forum.com On 6/15/06, Reggie Mr wrote: > Ryan Leavengood wrote: > > The problem is the ruby-forum caters to newbies with only a few > > exceptions, with most of the Ruby "experts" on ruby-talk. Therefore I > > see the forum as more of a burden to the rest of us than anything > > else. > What is happening to Ruby? > First you guys don't want Enterprises to use Ruby and now you want to > try to push new users away! Neither of these statements is true. The former is untrue because it implies that people don't *want* it to happen. The reality is that most people aren't willing to make special concessions to make it happen, especially if those concessions would change the nature of Ruby. The latter is untrue because you'll see a lot of people helping people. > Why is their so much anger and unwillingness to help those of us that > are just trying to get a grasp of this beautiful language? Again, this is untrue. There is anger about the level of _laziness_ and lack of manners from a lot of ruby-forum.com posters. Consider two posts recently, even after the latest changes from Andreas. The first post said "how do I execute a system command in Ruby? In PHP it would be exec...". I'm sorry, but five minutes of documentation searching would have answered the question. That's just lazy. We're certainly willing to help, but that's a bit beyond. It's also *completely* within my experience of the nonsense you get from web boards, where people are (often) too lazy to spend an hour or so searching (and often the search would take less time than that) before they start asking questions. The second was a "bump." Now, this is *common* in the web board world. It's rude there, too, and one *certainly* doesn't do it a mere 18 hours after posting initially. However, it's *completely and utterly* unacceptable on a mailing list. And that is what ruby-talk is; whether people realise it or not, that's what the Ruby forum on ruby-forum.com is, too. > I understand that Ruby may have been around since the early 90's, but > most of us are just now really starting to hear about. > > Why become an expert on Ruby-talk if don't want to talk about your > expertise? > > Don't push us away, help us, and as more of us become more of an > "expert" with Ruby, we can start helping out with answering some of the > newbie questions. We don't push people away who have at least shown that they're willing to look or at least remember that they're posting to a mailing list with *thousands* of recipients. -austin -- Austin Ziegler * halostatue@gmail.com * http://www.halostatue.ca/ * austin@halostatue.ca * http://www.halostatue.ca/feed/ * austin@zieglers.ca