From: Eric Armstrong <Eric.Armstrong@...>
Date: 2006-06-13T06:00:50+09:00
Subject: Re: web development w/ ruby minus rails

That sounds like a terrific project, well worth pursuing.
And I am /delighted/ to hear that there are aspects of
Rails I can use without a database (thanks, Asenchi).

Thinking I had to install a database is one of the things
that has kept me from taking a look at Rails...

Mat Schaffer wrote:
> On Jun 7, 2006, at 9:51 AM, Asenchi wrote:
>> On 6/7/06, Mat Schaffer <schapht@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Jun 7, 2006, at 12:30 AM, rahul benegal wrote:
>>> > cameron.matheson wrote:
>>> >> Hi guys,
>>> >>
>>> >> I need to make some simple web-pages at work for internal use
>>> >> (changing svn password, modifying postfix email-aliases, etc).  I'd
>>> >> like to use ruby for this.
>>> >
>>> > I too am unable to find any documentation or help for building wep
>>> > apps
>>> > (*outside* of rails). I am confused between mod_ruby, cgi, fcgi,
>>> > ruby-web, ruby-fcgi etc. <b>Is there a simple tutorial?</b>
>>> >
>>> > I did get a simple cgi program to run off apache (unmodified), but
>>> > when
>>> > i added "require 'cgi' it threw a 500 internal error. I have installed
>>> > rails, but first wish to do some *non-db* stuff outside of it. Just
>>> > apache or lighttpd.
>>>
>>> I've come up against the lack of tutorials for such a thing as well.
>>> But recently I've made good progress getting mod_ruby and eRuby
>>> working together to produce a lightweight web environment much like
>>> PHP (where I came to Ruby from).   Althought I understand mod_ruby
>>> has some speed issues.
>>> However, get, post, and cookies are still a bit of a headache.  I'm
>>> hoping to make some progress on that shortly.
>>> -Mat
>>
>> I've used Rails so much, that now I just install Rails, and use it
>> without a database.  I really like the whole environment and since I
>> am used to it (testing, webrick while designing, etc.) it works really
>> well.  Just a suggestion.  Good luck.
> 
> I've considered this option as well and I kinda like it.  My main drive 
> for creating a PHP-like Ruby web environment is evangelism, I think.  
> Lowering the barrier to entry so that (so long as it's installed on the 
> server) all a user has to do to start coding is open a .rhtml file.  
> That and possibly pairing it with a PHP->Ruby translation package to get 
> my old apps working in Ruby (albeit, ugly Ruby).
> 
> Hopefully I'm not grossing out anyone too much here, but _I_ think it's 
> worthwhile.
> -Mat
> 
>