From: dblack@...
Date: 2006-03-27T02:54:45+09:00
Subject: Re: Areal noob question

Hi --

On Mon, 27 Mar 2006, Ryan and Kate Huff wrote:

> Thank you very much for your insight.  As far as language maturity goes,
> Ruby is technically older than PHP if you count it's Japanese heritage.

There's no "if about it :-)  Ruby didn't become real when it started
to be popular outside Japan; it was utterly real already.  I saw with
my own eyes, in the Fall of 2002, twenty-three books about Ruby in
Japanese: three on CGI programming, at least one "Learn to Program"
book that used Ruby, and so forth.  Those years are not the
pre-history of Ruby; they're the history of Ruby.

> I truly love PHP and I REALLY love Java.  Maintaining code in them
> are nightmares though.  That's what sparked my interest about Ruby
> and it's "less is more" approach to syntax. I still have my
> reservations because sometimes complex syntax is the better way to
> go.

All else being equal? :-)

> I'll have to see it for
> myself when I throw down some Ruby code and try to "break it".
>
> Ruby is yet to offer the more advance features as JAVA or PHP in my opinion
> but it has the basics covered and now is the time to strike with Ruby in my
> opinion, and ride the wave to the 2nd and 3rd versions.
>
> How are the core's version upgrades handled?  Just stop Apache & cut/paste
> the new runtime files in the Ruby folder - similar to a PHP upgrade I guess?

Apache isn't directly involved, unless you're running CGI stuff and
using Apache, but basically you can upgrade either from the source
code or from a platform-specific package.


David

>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dblack@wobblini.net [mailto:dblack@wobblini.net]
> Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 12:13 PM
> To: ruby-talk ML
> Subject: Re: Areal noob question
>
>
> Hi --
>
> On Mon, 27 Mar 2006, Ryan and Kate Huff wrote:
>
>> Can Ruby run without rails?
>
> Yes: Ruby is a general-purpose programming language.  Rails is a
> framework (a suite of programs and programming libraries) written in
> Ruby.  Ruby was around and in regular use for about 11 years before
> Rails was written.
>
>> Do I have to have Ruby gems or is there other ways of using
>> packages/extensions?
>
> It all depends what the package's author (or some third party)
> prepares and releases.  Gem format is very popular; you'll also find a
> lot of things released as plain tar.gz or .zip files, and there's also
> another package-manager in/for Ruby called rpa-base.
>
>
> David
>
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>
>

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