From: Damphyr <damphyr@...>
Date: 2006-03-23T19:57:09+09:00
Subject: Re: Rails vs. Ruby Evolution

stu wrote:
> In reply to seth;
> 
> well your quote
> 
>> I think a healthy dose of familiarity with both should
>> foil that potential "crisis."
> 
> implies that one should know both in order to know Ruby...
>
No, it implies that if one uses Rails, he/she should know Ruby.
You are worrying about people who come from Rails having a familiarity 
with things not 'of the core'.
Well, I say let them have problems. It doesn't take more than a few 
hours to sort through the differences and it's probably the best way to 
solidify a good knowledge of Ruby which in turn will make for better 
understanding of Rails.

> I have no doubt Rails is a good thing at all, but I dont think Rails
> should drive the direction of a generic programming language. I want to
> see more adoption of Ruby and Rails is driving that, I just dont want
> to see Rails dictate what goes into Ruby.
Me neither. Just like a previous post stated (I'm to lazy to quote 
properly), Rails is domain specific, Ruby isn't.
I make my living coding Ruby and I have only read about Rails out of 
personal interest. The thing is, the guys writing Rails know quite a bit 
of Ruby and use the language in a very efficient way.
Ergo, I can learn (and have learned) quite a bit from Rails and the 
solutions based on Rails.
Now if some of these solutions transcend the domain of Rails I would be 
very happy to see them in core.
Until then, they remain in Rails and it's adjacent libraries, nice 
little gems available to everyone. You only have to *know* Ruby to use 
them properly.
> 
> How many rails programmers will expect 'to_json' to be standard Ruby
> since its bound to Object? (i guess, I am making the gross assumption
> that there are more Rails programmers than Ruby programmers, making the
> disction between rails only programmers and those that do rails and
> ruby)...
Well, I expect a "Rails programmer" to very quickly become a "Ruby 
programmer", which is what one should be from the start. It isn't all 
that difficult (part of the charm of the language) and it really 
shouldn't be otherwise.

Cheers,
V.-

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