From: Kev Jackson Date: 2006-03-23T19:15:33+09:00 Subject: Re: Rails vs. Ruby Evolution >When Ruby becomes a blip on the radar of major IT companies, _then_ you >will have cause to worry. Enterprise Ruby Beans... > > Ack the very thought! Indeed part of the fun I'm having learning ruby is that the there are many many more informed posts on this list compared to the average sludge on google groups for anything Java (and especailly Hibernate) related. I often learn totally new things just by browsing this lsit - that couldn't be said for java groups/mailing lists... Compare the number of posts to the rails list that start of with "[Hi I'm new, what IDE/debugger tool do I use for Rails? | I'm coming from PHP, I can do this ${thing} in PHP how do I do it in Rails? | Hi I'm (java|.net|vb|php) programmer, how do I get Rails to talk to my (Microsoft|IBM|Bea) server?] style posts with the posts here. I know that partly this is to do with the popularity of Rails as a framework advertised/marketed to php/java programmers to replace their existing frameworks, but I also think that this is simply a factor of popularity - ie the more popular the list the more posts it attracts, regardless of the value of the post for other people. That's of course not to suggest that this post has any value. :p I think my point is that, right now, ruby is in quite a nice place, where there are many bright people invloved on the lists and there is real value lurking and studying the code (Ruby Quiz is one of the finest examples). In the future this may not be the case, as more 'enterprise architects' and 'paper MCSE's' start to appear on the list and the truly insightful posts get drowned out by the ocean of mediocrity. Or something like that. So I'm happy that ruby is (currently) a niche language, at least we don't have people suggesting a 'standards committee' or 'certified exams' etc (yet) Kev