From: Jeff Pritchard Date: 2006-02-02T12:03:20+09:00 Subject: Re: About rant on Dave Thomas site, titled 'imitation...' Looking at both what came before and especially what came after my little experiment of suggesting "open source government", I am struck by the lack of hubris here. Not the usual individual hubris, but rather an unexpected lack of group hubris. I rather expected the group to at least jokingly grab onto the idea of open source government, not because I thought then or think now that it is workable or "right and true", but simply because it sounds like something a group of software guys would find interesting and fun to play with. There seems to be at least some belief here (and judging from the lack of posts disagreeing with it, some generalized agreement from the group), that intelligent people are somehow not virtuous enough to engage in a successful attempt at self government; a belief that such a government would require the participants to be better at considering the success of the group over and above the success of the individual. I used the word virtuous for that property just due to an apparent lack of a more suitable term. In an effort to grok the unexpected endemic ennui that seems to engulf the responses to this thread, I tried to imagine a completely unbiased viewpoint from which to view this puzzle. I was surprised to find myself toe to toe with the notion that perhaps we are expecting too much from this universe. We are asking it to reward us for our genius (or even our incremental improvements in technology) when, as far as we can tell from all experimental evidence to date, the universe couldn't give a crap. This universe seems more likely to reward the conniving bastard who thinks of a better way to sell someone else's invention to the masses. This is a survival of the fittest universe, not a survival of the most "virtuous" (whatever we might individually choose to imagine that word to mean) universe. So, perhaps the most pragmatic and practical answer to the dilemma from which this thread arose is that we all need to decide, individually, how much of our brain power we are willing to expend on survival and the creature comforts, and be willing to expend that effort along lines that are valued by the universe we live in rather than what we might consider to be a more "virtuous" path. Perhaps that which we, the nerds of the world, view as slimy behavior of "the suits"...should instead be viewed merely as a more practical use of ones time, given the easily identifiable indifference with which this universe holds our "acts of genius". So, let me posit that the core of this dilemma is not how to change the system into one that "properly worships our IQ", but rather what sneaky, conniving methods we can come up with to use it to get whatever it is that we want from this universe. Then individually decide just how much of that we can stomach. Interesting thread for me. jp (aka, the Mountain Man) The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the author. 8^) -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.