From: Steve Litt Date: 2006-01-09T06:42:54+09:00 Subject: Re: Ideas on "Why Living Dangerous can be A Good Thing" in Ruby? On Sunday 08 January 2006 12:32 pm, James Edward Gray II wrote: > On Jan 8, 2006, at 12:14 AM, Gregory Brown wrote: > > Actually, this is not the issue at hand. This really *does* boil down > > to language design in this case. With Ruby's openness and > > meta-programming, even well tested programs can be modified and > > redefined dynamically. > > > > This of course, has many benefits, but the bottom line is that Java > > was built with a security model to prevent things like this, while > > ruby was built to be open from the ground up to facilitate this. > > Sentences like the above always read to me as: "Java was designed to > protect the programmer from doing programmer things." Always sounds > funny to me. Hi Edward, I like being protected from myself. I'm an excellent analyst, designer, and yes, coder. But I'm somewhat careless. I make mistakes. That's why I'm glad I have a cover on my circular saw. That's why I'm glad my electric stove has lights saying which burners are still hot. And that's why I enjoy programming in languages like Ruby, Python and Java, that protect me from myself. I spent 10 years coding in C, and every time I had to track down intermittents that usually turned out to be one uninitialized variable, or a picket fence condition where I went off the end of the allocated array by one, or forgot to free a variable or freed it twice, and that kind of thing. I know a lot of people who never make mistakes. They can code C all day long and never get a segfault. They needn't be protected from themselves. But not all excellent programmers are like them. SteveT Steve Litt http://www.troubleshooters.com slitt@troubleshooters.com