From: Jacob Fugal <lukfugl@...>
Date: 2006-01-07T02:12:34+09:00
Subject: Re: [OT] - Requesting Comments for Process Definition and Presentation

On 1/6/06, Xavier Morel <xavier.morel@masklinn.net> wrote:
> Ilias Lazaridis wrote:
> > b) to retrieve feedback subjecting the Process Definition itself
> > (content of diagramms, clarity, terminology etc.)
> >
> This is a lie, and you know it.
>
> You are merely some kind of strange troll.

<Harsh critique snipped>

Ok, I never thought I'd be defending Ilias, but I must respond to this.

Many on ruby-talk will remember our previous encounters with Ilias. I
sure do. When I saw another post from Ilias pop up a few weeks ago,
I'll admit I was "frightened". I was tempted to put out a warning for
all the new members that weren't aware of Ilias' reputation. But I
refrained, deciding people would ignore him and/or he might be
reformed.

You know what? In the last two weeks, he's not instigated any
controversy. He's posted a request for feedback, and unlike last time,
he's *listening* to that feedback (so far). Is this community the
appropriate forum for his request? Maybe not, but we can point that
out in a much nicer manner. And if you do want to give feedback on his
website, which may be inaccurate and/or horribly designed, the
criticism (for which he has asked!) shouldn't be soaked in vitriol.

Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe as soon as we touch on the technical
inaccuracies of his site, we'll degenerate into the same situtation as
before. But maybe not. Let's just not throw stones, even if the target
might be a dog, ok?

Jacob Fugal