From: Richard Drake Date: 2005-12-23T22:02:50+09:00 Subject: Re: Bruce Eckel and Ruby Martin Fowler wrote: > I know Bruce moderately, well enough to be pretty damn sure that > monetary motives are well below his radar (for goodness sake he makes > his books available free on the internet, which is more than I've ever > had courage to do.) People are very quick to slam other people's > integrity on the internet. Bruce's skin has probably thickened in time, > but it still hurts me when it happens to me, so I feel inclined to > defend him. I've always had the impression that this kind of thing > happens rarely in the ruby community, I would wish that to be true. Agreed. Fervently. Background as follows: my first post on comp.lang.ruby. My first month using this beautiful language commercially. The first time I've discussed Mr Eckel since meeting him in London c1988 - as John Haggins of Zortech tried to build interest in his brand new product, billed the first true C++ compiler in the world. My love in those days was Smalltalk-80 and its derivatives. But some things one has to do for money. That motivation is always there, for all of us, at some level, surely? I found Bruce's recent article very helpful, especially his insights on the sad plight of those who put their hope in "enterprise" Java. I love the friendly feel of the Ruby community, old-style. Thanks to Matz, to all Pragmatic persons, to David HH and many other early cheerleaders, not least Mr Fowler. What a wonderful thing to experience, to be part of a productive global community. With everything for free. Free to do better, in this case, hopefully. Richard