From: Jeff Wood Date: 2005-11-21T16:15:14+09:00 Subject: Re: Best OS for Ruby Dev/Best OS for Ruby Hosting Oh, and as far as gentoo vs debian vs blah blah blah ... I've tried to setup a gentoo system for myself and run into troubles, so, I haven't yet gotten to play with it. I have uses FreeBSD 4, 5, ( and just downloaded ISOs for 6 )... and debian, ubuntu, fedora core, RHEL WS, and mandrake successfully. Anyways, there's my $0.02. j. On 11/20/05, Jeff Wood wrote: > Also, remember that there are still a large number of us *ix users > that prefer to roll our own, and regardless of the packaging system > provided by the OS, I'm gonna go get & compile for myself... I prefer > things that way... Then I know what I have and where I've put it. > > I've never had a lick of trouble with a system I setup this way... my > mileage with OS provided packages, unfortunately don't hold that same > quality. > > ... > > j. > > On 11/20/05, Aaron Kulbe wrote: > > > Lots of people happen to like FreeBSD for its Ruby support. One of its > > > major system utilities, portupgrade, is written in Ruby, so that's one > > > neat aspect. I'd recommend staying away from Gentoo: I prefer > > > source-based OSs, but Gentoo just breaks too often for it to be worth > > > it. Also, Gentoo users are on the whole jerkyer and less helpful than > > > normal people. > > > > (I'd like to start out by apologizing first, gentlemen. this is > > certainly off-topic, but needs to be said) > > > > Well Jacob, you succeed in communicating four things in your reply here. > > > > 1. you say Gentoo is prone to be broken > > 2. you say Gentoo users are jerks > > 3. you say Gentoo users are less helpful > > 4. you say Gentoo users are not normal > > > > As a Gentoo user, and a Gentoo developer... I'd like to say that I'm > > rather disturbed, maybe even slightly offended, at your remarks. We > > work hard to make the distribution good. And I'd like to say that the > > users bear some responsibility in how well their systems run. > > > > If you want to build your system with an insane set of CFLAGS and USE > > flags, then I think problems that result are your own fault. > > > > You say Gentoo users are jerkyer [sic] than other users. I beg to > > differ. A jerk is a jerk, and it matters not what distro the said > > jerk wants to use. People with the kind of attitude I'm sure you're > > referring to are unbecoming to the entire Linux community. Gentoo > > does not have the corner on this market, and it's unfair to say so. > > > > Gentoo users are less helpful? I'm sorry, but this is utter crap. It > > was this one thing that attracted me to the distribution in the first > > place, before any of its technical merits. I can personally vouch for > > this. I had a very frustrating experience early on, when I started to > > use Gentoo. I kept hitting a wall and was ready to give up. I had > > one of the developers help me, personally, to figure out the issues I > > was having. This took a period of hours, and I was ready to pay him > > for his time. He flatly refused, and asked only one thing in return - > > that I never again say I was going to give up on Gentoo. I didn't. > > Question - do you think we're less helpful because you come into > > #gentoo and ask a question, and don't get an answer *immediately*? If > > that's the case, keep in mind it's a VERY busy channel. And try > > idling there, and remember... /lastlog is your friend. > > > > > > By saying Gentoo users are jerkyer [sic] than normal people, you make > > us out to be abnormal. Care to explain that one? We're no different > > than anyone else. I just enjoy a little more control over my chosen > > distribution. Does that make one abnormal? I think not. > > > > Now... on to the Ruby business. Keep in mind, there is admittedly a > > bit of bias here, but I'm laying out all the cards. I think Gentoo is > > an excellent distribution to host from, and do Ruby work from. It > > might require more dedication on your part. Gentoo is hands-on. But > > it's really good for people who like to tinker. Good luck. > > > > > -- > "Remember. Understand. Believe. Yield! -> http://ruby-lang.org" > > Jeff Wood > -- "Remember. Understand. Believe. Yield! -> http://ruby-lang.org" Jeff Wood