From: Hal Fulton Date: 2005-10-26T09:11:39+09:00 Subject: The "perfect" ORM? For many weeks I have had this at the back of my mind. I want a really good ORM that is highly non-intrusive (e.g., I don't have to inherit and I don't have to clutter my classes and objects with metadata). Someone told me that this was much the way Hibernate works in Java. I can't comment. So anyway, this is one of my highest priorities -- to make an ORM (that works the way I like) to wrap KirbyBase. (With additional code, it should/could wrap any other db, of course.) Logan's KirbyRecord was a step in the right direction, it seemed to me. But it was like ActiveRecord -- it forced you to store your metadata in your own objects. Og is cool, but is even more intrusive. In case anyone is morbidly curious, I want this so that I can continue work on Tycho without getting bogged down in data storage issues. (Someone teased me at the conference that a year had gone by, and Tycho still hadn't progressed any. And he wonders how that spider got in his salad.) Anyhow: Who knows Hibernate and can comment on its usefulness as a model? And who if anyone is interested in working on this project? Thanks, Hal