From: Nikolai Weibull Date: 2005-10-12T18:39:49+09:00 Subject: Re: verifying proper vim-ruby install Gavin Sinclair wrote: > Mark Volkmann wrote: > > > > Can you _please_ take vim-ruby related stuff to the vim-ruby > > > > mailing-list > > > Can someone point me to where I can go to subscribe to this? I > > > found http://rubyforge.org/mail/?group_id=16, but this looks like > > > a list for people developing vim-ruby instead of for users to ask > > > questions. It is described as "Development and project management > > > of the vim-ruby project". > I created that list and intended it to be for developers. User > questions are welcome on the list, but I reckon user questions (of the > vim-ruby stuff) are welcome on this list as well. I think it's > unreasonable to expect everyone to join a separate mailing list for > every package they use. Furthermore, Vim is a popular editor, so > discussing Ruby-related aspects of its use is likely to be of interest > to a lot of readers of this group. That assumes that every project maintainer/developer actually listens to ruby-talk. A year ago I couldn’t, as it was being blocked by a anti-spam service that shall remain nameless. > And I don't echo the RTFM stuff, either. A question from a reasonable > person means something wasn't clear to a user that was clear to a > developer. The sensible resolution: developer thanks user and tries > to make the software clearer in what it's doing, or whatever. So > thanks, Mark. How was this clear to a developer? Dealing with Vim and its runtime files isn’t the most easy task one can undertake. Understanding why something doesn’t work for another user even less so. Fine, my RTFM was perhaps uncalled for, but I do believe that the Vim documentation mentions a lot of the stuff you need to know to get vim-ruby working and the INSTALL, README, and vim-ruby-install.rb files mention the rest. Apparently we must now also mention how to verify a successful install...were does it end? But fine, I’ll bow out of this one, as I’m not responsible for that part of the project. And by the way, I haven’t been paid a cent for any of my work, so excuse me if I don’t feel that I have the energy to thank every user and answer every question. The only thank you’s I’ve gotten were after I flew off the handle last time and more or less demanded them [ruby-talk: 143461]. I realize that that’s the way open-source development works, but fuck, it’s really quite ungrateful work as it is without having to deal with people who sound as if they haven’t poked around a bit before asking questions. > Finally, Nikolai mentioned familiarity with Unix as a prerequisite for > using vim-ruby. I'm sure people who use Vim on Windows (like me) will > be a little surprised. “Unix directory structures” was the actual quote. I believe the layout is the same on Windows, substituting folder for directory (thanks Bill for that one). Something that should perhaps been taken off-list: I guess my grief stems from an overall dislike for the over-inflated importance of the vim-ruby project as a separate entity. As all (?) the files are included in the Vim distribution anyway, why not just keep it there? So far, this separation has made us miss an important release, namely 6.3, that contained the old files instead. The 6.3 release will finally be superseded by 6.4, but that’s been over a year of questions regarding what files to use, how to install, and a general confusion over what’s going on. To me, _the sensible resolution_ would be to merge the vim-ruby project with mainline Vim so that there won’t be any need for RTFMs from me or “How do I install vim-ruby” from users, nikolai (25 years old and ready for anger management to save his poor heart) -- Nikolai Weibull: now available free of charge at http://bitwi.se/! Born in Chicago, IL USA; currently residing in Gothenburg, Sweden. main(){printf(&linux["\021%six\012\0"],(linux)["have"]+"fun"-97);}