[#154598] implementing the "each" method for own classes — Philipp Huber <huber.philipp@...>

hello!

12 messages 2005/09/01

[#154620] Word Chains (#44) — Ruby Quiz <james@...>

Gavin Kistner asked that I try timing the quiz solutions this week. I did

13 messages 2005/09/01

[#154733] Ruby-specific performance heuristics? — Hugh Sasse <hgs@...>

I've been doing some stuff with CSV recently, having data in one

15 messages 2005/09/02

[#154775] Idiomatic conversion of yielding block to array — David Brady <ruby_talk@...>

So I have a function that generates like 300 lines of text and I want to

23 messages 2005/09/02
[#154776] Re: Idiomatic conversion of yielding block to array — Levin Alexander <levin.alexander@...> 2005/09/02

David Brady <ruby_talk@shinybit.com> wrote:

[#154779] Re: Idiomatic conversion of yielding block to array — Simon Krer <SimonKroeger@...> 2005/09/02

Levin Alexander wrote:

[#154785] Re: Idiomatic conversion of yielding block to array — Simon Krer <SimonKroeger@...> 2005/09/02

Simon Krer wrote:

[#154789] Re: Idiomatic conversion of yielding block to array — Jacob Fugal <lukfugl@...> 2005/09/02

Good heavens, no! Neither of those are thread safe. Criminy!

[#154872] windows shell — Gaston Garcia <gaston.garcia@...>

Is there anyone here that uses Windows XP and uses a windows shell=20

28 messages 2005/09/04
[#154876] Re: windows shell — "Robert Klemme" <bob.news@...> 2005/09/04

Gaston Garcia <gaston.garcia@gmail.com> wrote:

[#154917] Re: windows shell — Austin Ziegler <halostatue@...> 2005/09/05

On 9/4/05, Robert Klemme <bob.news@gmx.net> wrote:

[#154874] params v.s. @params in rails? — "Barry" <rubyrails@...>

Both work in my controller class, so I am wondering what's the

11 messages 2005/09/04

[#154920] Help me clean up this method — "Vincent Foley" <vfoley@...>

Hello guys,

32 messages 2005/09/05

[#155018] Rake 0.6.0 Released — Jim Weirich <jim@...>

= Rake 0.6.0 Released

20 messages 2005/09/06

[#155064] Sorted arrays — <ruby@...64.com>

I'm a relative newcomer to Ruby. Most of my experience is in Delphi. And in Delphi one of the most commonly-used classes is TStringList, which is sort of analogous to ruby's Array (Delphi also has dynamic arrays and static arrays). TStringList has a property called Sorted, which if set to True makes it possible to insert strings into the list and have it maintain them as a sorted list (without having to re-sort it each time). Then you can use the IndexOf method (or the Find method) to do a binary search on the list, so you can quickly find the element you're looking for. My question is whether Ruby has anything like this. It seems like one could create a descendant of Array that does this.

18 messages 2005/09/06
[#155067] Re: Sorted arrays — "Robert Klemme" <bob.news@...> 2005/09/06

ruby@danb64.com wrote:

[#155120] Units for Ruby — "Lucas Carlson" <lucas@...>

I have also created a new library to add units to numbers in Ruby:

14 messages 2005/09/06

[#155127] Rio 0.3.4 — "rio4ruby" <rio4ruby@...>

New and Improved -- Rio 0.3.4

24 messages 2005/09/07

[#155181] Need help finding decent IDE/development environment for Windows — "Paul Dix" <paulcdix@...>

I've just started playing around with ruby on rails and by association,

41 messages 2005/09/07
[#155218] Re: Need help finding decent IDE/development environment for Windows — graham <fghfghfh@...> 2005/09/07

Paul Dix wrote:

[#155220] Re: Need help finding decent IDE/development environment for Windows — Joe Van Dyk <joevandyk@...> 2005/09/07

On 9/7/05, graham <fghfghfh@homr.vom> wrote:

[#155221] Re: Need help finding decent IDE/development environment for Windows — graham <fghfghfh@...> 2005/09/07

> You could ask them why they need all that IDE stuff for developing in Ruby.

[#155225] Re: Need help finding decent IDE/development environment for Windows — Edward Faulkner <ef@...> 2005/09/07

On Thu, Sep 08, 2005 at 02:36:29AM +0900, graham wrote:

[#155264] Re: Need help finding decent IDE/development environment for Windows — graham <fghfghfh@...> 2005/09/07

Edward Faulkner wrote:

[#155280] Re: Need help finding decent IDE/development environment for Windows — James Edward Gray II <james@...> 2005/09/08

On Sep 7, 2005, at 6:56 PM, graham wrote:

[#155327] general performance question — Brian Le Roy <brian@...>

I'm running top and when I run my app - I see the user CPU utilitization

15 messages 2005/09/08

[#155364] KirbyBase — rubyhacker@...

I'm posting from work, but will try to follow up in more

57 messages 2005/09/08
[#155795] Re: KirbyBase — rubyhacker@... 2005/09/12

Jamey Cribbs wrote:

[#155801] Re: KirbyBase — Jamey Cribbs <cribbsj@...> 2005/09/12

rubyhacker@gmail.com wrote:

[#155818] Re: KirbyBase — Randy Kramer <rhkramer@...> 2005/09/12

On Monday 12 September 2005 04:11 pm, Jamey Cribbs wrote:

[#155833] Re: KirbyBase — rubyhacker@... 2005/09/12

Randy Kramer wrote:

[#155836] Re: KirbyBase — Kevin Brown <blargity@...> 2005/09/12

On Monday 12 September 2005 17:06, rubyhacker@gmail.com wrote:

[#155861] Re: KirbyBase — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...> 2005/09/13

Kevin Brown wrote:

[#155873] Re: KirbyBase — Ezra Zygmuntowicz <ezra@...> 2005/09/13

[#155976] Re: KirbyBase — rubyhacker@... 2005/09/13

[#155986] Re: KirbyBase — Jamey Cribbs <cribbsj@...> 2005/09/13

rubyhacker@gmail.com wrote:

[#156005] Re: KirbyBase — Logan Capaldo <logancapaldo@...> 2005/09/13

[#156029] Re: KirbyBase [ANN (sort-of)] proof-of-concept KirbyBase ORM — Logan Capaldo <logancapaldo@...> 2005/09/14

[#155369] compiling ruby on red hat linux — "Philip J. Mikal" <philip_mikal@...>

Hi,

15 messages 2005/09/08

[#155411] Optimizing a single slow method — "Glenn M. Lewis" <noSpam@...>

Hi!

34 messages 2005/09/09
[#155474] Re: Optimizing a single slow method — Eric Hodel <drbrain@...7.net> 2005/09/09

On 08 Sep 2005, at 20:46, Glenn M. Lewis wrote:

[#155464] quick print type debugging — Eric Mahurin <eric_mahurin@...>

Anybody think something like this would be useful?

12 messages 2005/09/09

[#155507] Using Ruby as a preprocessor for another language — debbie@...

I have the misfortune of being stuck programming in a very bad

11 messages 2005/09/10

[#155530] Win32 gem for RMagick 1.9.1 — Timothy Hunter <cyclists@...>

Hot on the heels of the latest RMagick update, Kaspar Schiess has

15 messages 2005/09/10

[#155537] RCR to modify #puts and #print inside ERB — Gavin Kistner <gavin@...>

Proposed RCR:

26 messages 2005/09/10

[#155601] r4 - the simplest ruby pre-processor — "Ara.T.Howard" <Ara.T.Howard@...>

18 messages 2005/09/11

[#155638] The Early Demise of Myriad (Thanks To Ruby Threads) — "Zed A. Shaw" <zedshaw@...>

Hi Everyone,

17 messages 2005/09/11

[#155708] how to well-qualify the 2-inherited methods at their collision point — "SHIGETOMI, Takuhiko" <tshiget1@...>

dear guys,

10 messages 2005/09/12

[#155828] Adventures in html decoding. — Morgan <taria@...>

From the "If you want it done right, do it yourself... maybe"

16 messages 2005/09/12

[#155847] Choosing an open source license — "debbie@..." <debbie@...>

I'm working on a server program and I'm trying to decide which open

22 messages 2005/09/13

[#155941] yet another simple command-line option parser — Eric Mahurin <eric_mahurin@...>

I just put in a good example for:

11 messages 2005/09/13
[#155946] Re: yet another simple command-line option parser — Jim Freeze <jim@...> 2005/09/13

That's pretty interesting Eric, to grab the type off the default.

[#155949] Sets, uniqueness not unique. — Hugh Sasse <hgs@...>

I have been splitting a comma separated values file, and putting

29 messages 2005/09/13

[#155970] Surprising Regexp Behavior — James Edward Gray II <james@...>

I keep running into some surprising points with Ruby's Regexp engine

13 messages 2005/09/13

[#155992] Launch directory in Rake — Jim Freeze <jim@...>

Hi

15 messages 2005/09/13

[#156053] ruby and aop — Alexandru Popescu <the.mindstorm.mailinglist@...>

Hi!

12 messages 2005/09/14

[#156189] Get to the Point: Ruby and Rails Presentation Slides — "John W. Long" <ng@...>

Hi,

20 messages 2005/09/15

[#156230] you can't get in trouble with your boss for picking C# — "Phlip" <phlipcpp@...>

Rubies:

69 messages 2005/09/15
[#156297] Re: you can't get in trouble with your boss for picking C# — "Phlip" <phlipcpp@...> 2005/09/15

klancaster1957 wrote:

[#156308] Re: you can't get in trouble with your boss for picking C# — Josh Charles <josh.charles@...> 2005/09/15

On 9/15/05, Phlip <phlipcpp@yahoo.com> wrote:

[#156549] Re: you can't get in trouble with your boss for picking C# — "ToRA" <tristan.allwood@...> 2005/09/17

Hey all,

[#156582] Re: you can't get in trouble with your boss for picking C# — Florian Gro<florgro@...> 2005/09/18

ToRA wrote:

[#156248] Math: sum and faculty — Daniel Schierbeck <daniel.schierbeck@...>

I hereby propose two additions to Ruby. Please come with some comments

13 messages 2005/09/15

[#156299] MS Access — "Steve" <sdouglas949@...>

I'm considering learning Ruby. I have no programming experience yet. I was

23 messages 2005/09/15
[#156303] Re: MS Access — "Phlip" <phlipcpp@...> 2005/09/15

Steve wrote:

[#156335] Re: MS Access — Sean Armstrong <phinsxiii@...> 2005/09/15

On 9/15/05, Phlip <phlipcpp@yahoo.com> wrote:

[#156336] Re: MS Access — Sascha Ebach <se@...> 2005/09/15

Sean Armstrong wrote:

[#156347] Re: MS Access — Sean Armstrong <phinsxiii@...> 2005/09/15

Does anyone know how to install the Ruby MySQL module on a Windows platform=

[#156352] Re: MS Access — Jacob Quinn Shenker <jqshenker@...> 2005/09/15

Sean,I needed to compile/install mysql (running ./configure--without-server) from source to get the required developmentlibraries under Cygwin. (then I moved the newly-created clientbinaries out of the way so I could use the Win32-native mysqlbinaries.) After that, it worked like a charm. *Do not compile theCygwin-ized mysql client with "--with-openssl"* I don't know why, butthe gem refused to install if I did. Good luck, and let me know if yourun into any issues. Overall, developing on Cygwin for Ruby/Rails isquite nice.

[#156353] Re: MS Access — Sean Armstrong <phinsxiii@...> 2005/09/15

Let me make sure I got this right:

[#156461] Re: MS Access — Sean Armstrong <phinsxiii@...> 2005/09/16

It still refuses to find the lib and include directories even if I use the=

[#156506] Re: MS Access — Jacob Quinn Shenker <jqshenker@...> 2005/09/16

Sean,I'm going to try to explain *exactly* what I did, and hopefully you'llsee something you forgot to do.1. Download mysql-essential-4.1.14-win32.msi from mysql.org and install it.2. Download mysql-4.1.13.tar.gz from mysql.org3. Extract the above, and run "./configure -C --without-server" (the-C enables config caching, I use it because the ./configure scriptruns very slowly under Cygwin. Optional, of course)4. Run "make && make install"5. Run "gem install mysql"6. Go make cool rails apps!

[#156444] Hash table questions — EdUarDo <eduardo.yanezNOSPAM@...>

Hi all,

14 messages 2005/09/16

[#156480] Some interesting criticisms of rails — David Balick <davidbalick@...>

may be found in the podcast

24 messages 2005/09/16
[#156530] Re: Some interesting criticisms of rails — "Robert Klemme" <bob.news@...> 2005/09/17

Zed A. Shaw <zedshaw@zedshaw.com> wrote:

[#156624] Language recommendations from ruby persons.... — "Greg Lorriman" <bogus@...>

Dear sirs and madames,

36 messages 2005/09/18

[#156662] Capcha in ruby — Federico <pix@...>

Hello,

23 messages 2005/09/19

[#156708] help with tricky proc/binding issue — "Ara.T.Howard" <Ara.T.Howard@...>

14 messages 2005/09/19

[#156743] The Ruby troll [was: Looking for...] — Gunnar Hjalmarsson <noreply@...>

David H. Adler wrote:

22 messages 2005/09/19

[#156749] ruby idiom for python's for/else while/else — Gergely Kontra <kgergely@...>

Hi!

18 messages 2005/09/19

[#156796] Dissident 0.1, a Ruby dependency injection container — Christian Neukirchen <chneukirchen@...>

Hello,

13 messages 2005/09/20
[#156797] Re: [ANN] Dissident 0.1, a Ruby dependency injection container — "Jason Voegele" <jason@...> 2005/09/20

On Tue, September 20, 2005 8:22 am, Christian Neukirchen said:

[#156801] Re: [ANN] Dissident 0.1, a Ruby dependency injection container — Christian Neukirchen <chneukirchen@...> 2005/09/20

"Jason Voegele" <jason@jvoegele.com> writes:

[#156966] Re: [ANN] Dissident 0.1, a Ruby dependency injection container — Logan Capaldo <logancapaldo@...> 2005/09/21

This is a little OT, but every-time dependency injection comes up I

[#156866] Places for a programmer to live? — Devin Mullins <twifkak@...>

While we seem to be rife with OT threads, I thought I'd throw in an OT

37 messages 2005/09/20

[#156933] Hello, I am a newbie to ruby. — could ildg <could.net@...>

I want learn a script language.

11 messages 2005/09/21

[#157005] Large Ruby Apps ? — "Warren Seltzer" <warrens@...>

I am coming to Ruby having used the usual list of scripting and C* languages. Since Ruby

30 messages 2005/09/21
[#158399] Re: Large Ruby Apps ? — <slonik.az@...> 2005/09/30

Very useful discussion that highlights quite few misconceptions.

[#157007] Re: Large Ruby Apps ? — "Berger, Daniel" <Daniel.Berger@...>

> -----Original Message-----

27 messages 2005/09/21

[#157051] hi, i'm new. plus one question — travis laduke <wrong@...>

I've been forced to work on some php lately and found myself

13 messages 2005/09/22

[#157063] Visual IDEs?? — "Erland" <Erland.Erikson@...>

HI,

24 messages 2005/09/22

[#157080] A question about Intelligent Systems and using Ruby — Daniel Lewis <danieljohnlewis@...>

Yesterday (21/09/2005) I sent an email to Dave Thomas (author of

16 messages 2005/09/22

[#157101] Instantiating a subclass of NilClass. — "Trans" <transfire@...>

I've subclasses NilClass, but don't know how to instantiate it. Any

16 messages 2005/09/22

[#157189] "The class that it is mixed in to..." — John Carter <john.carter@...>

Ok, so I'm documenting a Mixin.

20 messages 2005/09/23
[#157193] Re: "The class that it is mixed in to..." — William Morgan <wmorgan-ruby-talk@...> 2005/09/23

Excerpts from John Carter's mail of 22 Sep 2005 (CDT):

[#157271] Re: "The class that it is mixed in to..." — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2005/09/23

Hi --

[#157222] RDE 1.0.0 released — sakazuki <qzs01353@...>

Hi.

16 messages 2005/09/23

[#157299] On accidental unsubscribe messages — "Berger, Daniel" <Daniel.Berger@...>

Hi all,

15 messages 2005/09/23

[#157520] Relative speed of Ruby vs Java for a large compiled app like Freenet — seekingleverage@...

I'm wondering if anyone could shed some light on whether or not it

45 messages 2005/09/25
[#157716] Re: Relative speed of Ruby vs Java for a large compiled app like Freenet — "Isaac Gouy" <igouy@...> 2005/09/26

Martin, perhaps you could collect this stuff and put it into your wiki

[#157540] String#ggsub — Gavin Kistner <gavin@...>

I occasionally find myself with gsub regexp that either eat too much,

21 messages 2005/09/25

[#157565] Rinda frustration — Mark Volkmann <r.mark.volkmann@...>

I'm trying to determine what the methods "move" and "notify" do in the

12 messages 2005/09/26

[#157623] A big thank you to Robby Russell... — Tom Copeland <tom@...>

...for providing another RubyForge mirror via his company, PlanetArgon.

18 messages 2005/09/26
[#157770] Re: A big thank you to Robby Russell... — Gavin Kistner <gavin@...> 2005/09/27

On Sep 26, 2005, at 7:25 AM, Tom Copeland wrote:

[#157826] Re: A big thank you to Robby Russell... — Tom Copeland <tom@...> 2005/09/27

On Tue, 2005-09-27 at 12:43 +0900, Gavin Kistner wrote:

[#157864] Re: A big thank you to Robby Russell... — Sam Mayes <codeslave@...> 2005/09/27

whats the process for becomming a mirror?

[#157871] Re: A big thank you to Robby Russell... — Kirk Haines <khaines@...> 2005/09/27

On Tuesday 27 September 2005 10:24 am, Sam Mayes wrote:

[#157875] Re: A big thank you to Robby Russell... — Tom Copeland <tom@...> 2005/09/27

On Wed, 2005-09-28 at 01:38 +0900, Kirk Haines wrote:

[#157648] Rapid GUI Development with QtRuby — Dave Thomas <dave@...>

I hope y'all don't mind a short announcement, but it seemed relevant.

22 messages 2005/09/26

[#157654] Ruby Threads 101 — Ben <benbelly@...>

I am leading a peer-learning group that is using "Programming Ruby" to

13 messages 2005/09/26

[#157658] Time interval — Daniel Berger <Daniel.Berger@...>

Hi all,

20 messages 2005/09/26

[#157697] Embedded Ruby and Tag Libs — Adam Van Den Hoven <mail@...>

Hey guys,

16 messages 2005/09/26

[#157732] ShortURL 0.7.0 — "Vincent Foley" <vfoley@...>

After a lot of procrastination, I have released ShortURL 0.7.0. I

14 messages 2005/09/26

[#157746] Fwd: Lisp macros — Joe Van Dyk <joevandyk@...>

Whoops, this belongs on ruby-talk... Sorry.

47 messages 2005/09/27
[#157751] Re: Fwd: Lisp macros — James Britt <james_b@...> 2005/09/27

Joe Van Dyk wrote:

[#157779] Re: Fwd: Lisp macros — Jim Freeze <jim@...> 2005/09/27

On 9/26/05, James Britt <james_b@neurogami.com> wrote:

[#157813] Re: Fwd: Lisp macros — Ben <benbelly@...> 2005/09/27

On 9/27/05, Jim Freeze <jim@freeze.org> wrote:

[#157807] How do I (really) encrypt a string in ruby? — Michal Suchanek <hramrach@...>

Hello

10 messages 2005/09/27

[#157854] Class and Iterator Design Question — Jim Freeze <jim@...>

This may be a silly design question, but I always balk at

26 messages 2005/09/27
[#157866] Re: Class and Iterator Design Question — Bob Hutchison <hutch@...> 2005/09/27

[#157889] Re: Class and Iterator Design Question — Jim Freeze <jim@...> 2005/09/27

Wow, thanks for all the responses.

[#157893] Re: Class and Iterator Design Question — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2005/09/27

Hi --

[#157896] Re: Class and Iterator Design Question — Jim Freeze <jim@...> 2005/09/27

On 9/27/05, David A. Black <dblack@wobblini.net> wrote:

[#157947] Dynamically generating classes? — Jonas Galvez <jonasgalvez@...>

Hi,

15 messages 2005/09/27

[#158051] Re: creating independent lambdas in loops — "Kroeger Simon (ext)" <simon.kroeger.ext@...>

24 messages 2005/09/28
[#158057] Re: creating independent lambdas in loops — Eric Mahurin <eric_mahurin@...> 2005/09/28

--- "Kroeger Simon (ext)" <simon.kroeger.ext@siemens.com>

[#158074] Re: creating independent lambdas in loops — Gavin Kistner <gavin@...> 2005/09/28

On Sep 28, 2005, at 7:47 AM, Eric Mahurin wrote:

[#158081] Re: creating independent lambdas in loops — Eric Mahurin <eric_mahurin@...> 2005/09/28

--- Gavin Kistner <gavin@refinery.com> wrote:

[#158093] Re: creating independent lambdas in loops — Eric Mahurin <eric_mahurin@...> 2005/09/28

--- Eric Mahurin <eric_mahurin@yahoo.com> wrote:

[#158094] Re: creating independent lambdas in loops — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2005/09/28

Hi --

[#158096] Re: creating independent lambdas in loops — Eric Mahurin <eric_mahurin@...> 2005/09/28

--- "David A. Black" <dblack@wobblini.net> wrote:

[#158121] Python to Ruby: Two puzzlements... — "Elf M. Sternberg" <elf@...>

I'm afraid that I'm coming from Python, a B&D language where I'm used to

22 messages 2005/09/28

[#158157] IBM vs. Microsoft vs. ... Ruby? — "itsme213" <itsme213@...>

More "Enterprise Scale" talk over here, with a strong leaning towards

29 messages 2005/09/28
[#158330] Re: IBM vs. Microsoft vs. ... Ruby? — "bonefry" <bellarchitects@...> 2005/09/29

Hi,

[#158258] In your opinion.... — Daniel Lewis <danieljohnlewis@...>

In your opinion(s)....

51 messages 2005/09/29
[#158263] Re: In your opinion.... — Gennady Bystritksy <gfb@...> 2005/09/29

Daniel Lewis wrote:

[#158265] Re: In your opinion.... — Daniel Lewis <danieljohnlewis@...> 2005/09/29

> Too lazy to do your own research? It happens ;-). For a starter, check

[#158311] rush 0.1.bandicoot: object-oriented shell goodness (rationed for your health)! — The rush folks <rush-ruby-ml@...>

= rush-0.1.bandicoot

10 messages 2005/09/29

[#158327] Operator Overloading << — "matt.hulse@..." <matt.hulse@...>

Is there a way to overload '<<' in the Array class?

19 messages 2005/09/29

[#158412] SQLite / Ruby on Windows? — david@...

Does anyone have an install-by-copy version of the SQLite Ruby binding at hand?

12 messages 2005/09/30

[#158460] Ruby licence... — netspam@...

I understand that the distribution of Ruby is under the GPL.

25 messages 2005/09/30
[#158600] Re: Ruby licence... — "Gregory Brown" <gregory.t.brown@...> 2005/10/02

The Ruby License and the License of Ruby are two different things.

[#158620] Re: Ruby licence... — Kevin Brown <blargity@...> 2005/10/02

On Saturday 01 October 2005 20:51, Gregory Brown wrote:

[#158659] Re: Ruby licence... — Christian Neukirchen <chneukirchen@...> 2005/10/02

Kevin Brown <blargity@gmail.com> writes:

[#158663] Re: Ruby licence... — Kevin Brown <blargity@...> 2005/10/02

On Sunday 02 October 2005 10:56, Christian Neukirchen wrote:

[#158690] Re: Ruby licence... — Christian Neukirchen <chneukirchen@...> 2005/10/02

Kevin Brown <blargity@gmail.com> writes:

[#158692] Re: Ruby licence... — Kevin Brown <blargity@...> 2005/10/02

On Sunday 02 October 2005 12:45, Christian Neukirchen wrote:

[#158497] Interest in Boost::Ruby — Alan Gutierrez <alan-ruby-talk@...>

I'd like to build a CSS renderer in modern C++ as an enthusist's

24 messages 2005/09/30

Re: [OT] Places for a programmer to live?

From: "Warren Seltzer" <warrens@...>
Date: 2005-09-21 19:12:34 UTC
List: ruby-talk #156989
My info is a few years old, but LA used to have a tremendous concentration of software
jobs.  It's too big, though, it takes hours to get across the mega-city, and the beach can
be forbiddingly distant.  

I loved Seattle Washington for quite a while but it's a bit of a backwater culturally.
But that's okay.

Any place is okay if  you have a job you like.  If you're religious, consider Jerusalem.
If skiing is  your thing consider Vancouver BC.  

If you get married and have kids your priorities will change.   If you're unemployed for
any length of time you're priorities will change.

Warren Seltzer


-----Original Message-----
From: Devin Mullins [mailto:twifkak@comcast.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 1:10 AM
To: ruby-talk ML
Subject: [OT] Places for a programmer to live?


While we seem to be rife with OT threads, I thought I'd throw in an OT 
question that's been percolating in my mind for quite a while.

Where do you recommend to live? Feel free to provide just a city name, 
or to go into detail. When I say "for a programmer," I'm mainly 
referring to the existence of programming jobs, but other aspects, such 
as the existence of ?UGs, proximity to nerdy attractions, etc. could 
play a part. Also feel free to just tell me some places to look for 
ideas, and then tell me to Get to Googlin'. :)

Obviously, the usual places show up: Silicon Valley, Wash DC (where I am 
now), *insert big city here* -- any info you have about why you would or 
wouldn't recommend one of these would be appreciated. I'm also looking 
for places that are off-the-beaten path (but still accessible, so 
Fraser, B.C. is out of the question, sorry) -- Portland, OR and even 
Bend, OR seem to be attracting techies, for example. Why? Should I be 
interested, too? Why or why not? I have preference towards places in the 
US, but if you have hometown pride, you are of course welcome to give it 
shoutout. :)

For the short term, I'm stuck here earning a living, and for the medium 
term, I'm probably going to go where my long-time friends are, in Calif. 
(SF? SB? LA? SD? not sure), but I'm trying to plan ahead a little more 
than I have in the past, so am hoping to build an arsenal of info. You 
guys are the best group I could think to ask.

I'll provide a little about DC, in fairness to y'all, and maybe as a 
template.
1. The housing market here is ridiculously expensive. I think it might 
be going down a *little* soon, but yikes, it's high.
2. It's probably because high tech jobs are in high supply here. Gov't 
contracting is the name of the game, and while you probably won't be 
using Agile methodologies to build the Next Big Thing, you'll at least 
have a fairly well-paying and steady job.
3. Weather's not fantastic. Temperate climates. Warm for its latitude 
because of some sort of wind thing. Generally pretty cloudy during the 
Spring/Fall, though, due to its proximity to the water.
4. Traffic sucks. Combine that with the fact that you can only afford to 
live in the boonies and you've got a recipe for un-fun.
5. Entertainment is pretty decent, if you don't mind the traffic it 
takes to get there. We've got the Kennedy Center in DC, Nissan Pavillion 
out west in Warrenton, VA, all sorts of jazz, bars, etc. and DC is 
obviously a pretty popular place for artists to include as part of a 
national/regional tour. We've got fantastic museums and art galleries, 
many of which are free.
6. There's a very good variety of decent restaurants, and some very good 
ones. Of course, for any genre X of food, there's apparently some city Y 
that produces better X. Oh well. :)
7. It's a big, suburban region. You're not going to see any "sense of 
belonging" to the DC area, in people. You're not going to find that 
'cept for probably way in the city (where it's urban), or way out (where 
it's rural, in which case you'll find the annual Nokesville festival, or 
whatever).
8. I may be full of it.

I shut up now.

Thanks,
Devin






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