From: Daniel Amelang Date: 2005-07-20T08:20:51+09:00 Subject: Re: Ruby/Rails as a starter language? > In Java, classes aren't objects. Sorry Hal: http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/reflect/class/index.html I'm also sorry if I am one of may to point this out. Maybe I'll be the first... I mean this in a very friendly way, BTW :) See, that smiley face is so I don't get on your bad side. Here's another :p Dan