From: tsuraan <tsuraan@...>
Date: 2005-07-19T04:31:33+09:00
Subject: Re: Ruby momentum?

> I did a straightforward comparison between RoR and many differing java
> solutions in which led me to my decision to use Rails to be apart of a
> current project.

Cool!  You should post it or something.  Honestly, I do think the more
(unbiased) reviews that are out there, the better informed everyone
will be.

> I hope this is not implying anything to those who have posted on this
> thread on Rails behalf (like myself). I didn't like Rails along time ago
> when I had never *really* used it, and I was just skimming it's surface
> moaning and groaning about it's hype. I took the plunge, and so far it's
> working well for my company.

I don't have anything against people raving about rails in the
(relative) privacy of this list.  It's really to be expected, given
the focus of this community.  It's when Rails articles are hitting
high-traffic sites like Slashdot and OSNews that I get worried. 
People see articles like that and just assume that it's another
vacuous framework with a large marketing machine behind it.  It really
does scare a lot of people off, or at least make it far harder to
convince them to give Rails a shot.

> Why? Perhaps you have used Rails and it didn't work for you or your
> team. Ok, so don't use rails. But, based on what you've said thus far it
> seems like you haven't really attempted to use rails. You're opinions
> are at 40,000 feet. You are griping about the hype and marketing rails
> is getting. So go test out rails then come to an honest conclusion.

I don't think you understand me.  I like rails.  I want to use rails. 
Getting my team to try it, when there's so much hype over it, is
really really hard.  I'm certainly not an expert in rails; in fact
I've basically just read some tutorials and basic setup stuff.  I
still like it enough that I'm trying to use it here, and meeting tons
of resistance due to the effect that the marketing is having on the
people that I work with.