From: Zach Dennis <zdennis@...>
Date: 2005-07-19T03:54:03+09:00
Subject: Re: Ruby momentum?

tsuraan wrote:
>>This is something of a mixed bag.  Rails has been marketed very heavily, true.
>>The name is all over the place, and has been for quite a while, and many of
>>the claims, taken individually, are quite open to attack and criticism.
>>However, at the same time, hasn't that marketing also worked quite
>>successfully?
> 
> 
> Getting the word out is definitely good, and perhaps having some
> controversy over the thing does help, but it seems to be raising the
> barrier to acceptance.  I'd love to see straightforward comparisons
> and even some reasonable testimonials, but the gushing is just getting
> silly. 

I did a straightforward comparison between RoR and many differing java 
solutions in which led me to my decision to use Rails to be apart of a 
current project.

> I don't blame the Rails people for this; I think it's just
> some people who really do believe that they've found the holy grail
> and are very excited about that. 

I hope this is not implying anything to those who have posted on this 
thread on Rails behalf (like myself). I didn't like Rails along time ago 
when I had never *really* used it, and I was just skimming it's surface 
moaning and groaning about it's hype. I took the plunge, and so far it's 
working well for my company.

> It just makes it a bit difficult to
> take rails seriously.

Why? Perhaps you have used Rails and it didn't work for you or your 
team. Ok, so don't use rails. But, based on what you've said thus far it 
seems like you haven't really attempted to use rails. You're opinions 
are at 40,000 feet. You are griping about the hype and marketing rails 
is getting. So go test out rails then come to an honest conclusion.

Alot of people are critics of the hype and marketing about Rails. Who 
cares if a bunch of people love it and think it is their holy grail. 
Maybe it is their holy grail for what they do. There is no need to shoot 
down someone (or even the idea of something being good) because they 
have found something that really works well for them.

Zach