[#140667] Thinking of creating a small mini-language-interpreter using Ruby — Glenn Smith <glenn.ruby@...>

Always something I've wanted to write - an interpreter of my own. Now

12 messages 2005/05/01

[#140714] Ruby, Rails and now og — "Andrew Ballantine" <andrew.ballantine@...>

Hi,

16 messages 2005/05/02

[#140808] Re: "Bounty" approach for small pieces of code? — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...>

Molitor, Stephen L wrote:

12 messages 2005/05/03
[#140810] Re: "Bounty" approach for small pieces of code? — Richard Lyman <lymans@...> 2005/05/03

On 5/2/05, Hal Fulton <hal9000@hypermetrics.com> wrote:

[#140856] Bug Tracker — Andy Stone <xsltguru@...>

Hello all,

28 messages 2005/05/03

[#140910] Typo-checking instead of static typing — Ben Giddings <bg-rubytalk@...>

Once again, static typing reared its head on the mailing list, and once

31 messages 2005/05/03

[#140928] Re: [ANN] traits-0.0.0 — "Berger, Daniel" <Daniel.Berger@...>

> -----Original Message-----

16 messages 2005/05/03

[#141015] writing to a file with gsub! — Ralf Mler <r_mueller@...>

Hi,

12 messages 2005/05/04

[#141023] Object#inside_metaclass? — "Ara.T.Howard" <Ara.T.Howard@...>

56 messages 2005/05/04
[#141045] Re: [RCR] Object#inside_metaclass? — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2005/05/04

On Wed, 4 May 2005, Ara.T.Howard wrote:

[#141050] Re: [RCR] Object#inside_metaclass? — Ilias Lazaridis <ilias@...> 2005/05/04

David A. Black wrote:

[#141522] Re: [RCR] Object#inside_metaclass? — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2005/05/07

Hi,

[#141533] Re: [RCR] Object#inside_metaclass? — Ilias Lazaridis <ilias@...> 2005/05/07

Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#141548] Re: [RCR] Object#inside_metaclass? — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2005/05/07

In message "Re: [RCR] Object#inside_metaclass?"

[#141550] Re: [RCR] Object#inside_metaclass? — Ilias Lazaridis <ilias@...> 2005/05/07

Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#141575] Re: [RCR] Object#inside_metaclass? — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2005/05/07

[#141057] Fixnum's binary representation — camsight@...

Hi, people!

13 messages 2005/05/04

[#141143] Re: object reference handle (like perl's reference to scalar) — Eric Mahurin <eric_mahurin@...>

> > In ruby, is there a way to get a handle of an object

17 messages 2005/05/04

[#141165] Ruby Editor Plugin for jEdit 0.6 - method completion release — "Rob ." <rob.02004@...>

Version 0.6 of jEdit's Ruby Editor Plugin has been released and is

21 messages 2005/05/05
[#141176] Re: [ANN] Ruby Editor Plugin for jEdit 0.6 - method completion release — Alexandru Popescu <the_mindstorm@...> 2005/05/05

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

[#141186] Re: [ANN] Ruby Editor Plugin for jEdit 0.6 - method completion release — "Rob ." <rob.02004@...> 2005/05/05

Alexandru Popescu wrote:> Rob . said:> > Version 0.6 of jEdit's Ruby Editor Plugin has been released and is> > available for download!> >> > http://www.jedit.org/ruby/> > Great job Rob!Mulmesc!

[#141205] Re: [ANN] Ruby Editor Plugin for jEdit 0.6 - method completion release — Tom Copeland <tom@...> 2005/05/05

On Thu, 2005-05-05 at 18:38 +0900, Rob . wrote:

[#141219] Re: [ANN] Ruby Editor Plugin for jEdit 0.6 - method completion release — Alexandru Popescu <the_mindstorm@...> 2005/05/05

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

[#141225] Re: [ANN] Ruby Editor Plugin for jEdit 0.6 - method completion release — "Rob ." <rob.02004@...> 2005/05/05

Alex, I don't get an exception in this case, but I see what you mean.

[#141196] Whats so different about a Hash? — Andrew Walrond <andrew@...>

Consider:

15 messages 2005/05/05
[#141197] Re: Whats so different about a Hash? — Brian Schrer <ruby.brian@...> 2005/05/05

On 05/05/05, Andrew Walrond <andrew@walrond.org> wrote:

[#141199] Re: Whats so different about a Hash? — Andrew Walrond <andrew@...> 2005/05/05

Hi Brian,

[#141299] another Tk question — Joe Van Dyk <joevandyk@...>

In Tk, what's the best way to show a large table of data that gets

15 messages 2005/05/05
[#141326] Re: another Tk question — Hidetoshi NAGAI <nagai@...> 2005/05/06

From: Joe Van Dyk <joevandyk@gmail.com>

[#141307] String Manipulation Nuby Question — Chris Roos <chris@...>

I have a Person with title, forename and surname (all of which are

13 messages 2005/05/05

[#141311] Ruby Editor Plugin for jEdit 0.6.1 - method completion release II — "Rob ." <rob.02004@...>

Version 0.6.1 of jEdit's Ruby Editor Plugin has been released and is

12 messages 2005/05/05

[#141334] RCR 303: nil should accept missing methods and return nil — John Carter <john.carter@...>

A very simple and generic way of improving the reliability of Ruby

66 messages 2005/05/06
[#141338] Re: RCR 303: nil should accept missing methods and return nil — Luke Graham <spoooq@...> 2005/05/06

On 5/6/05, John Carter <john.carter@tait.co.nz> wrote:

[#141339] Re: RCR 303: nil should accept missing methods and return nil — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...> 2005/05/06

Luke Graham wrote:

[#141345] Re: RCR 303: nil should accept missing methods and return nil — John Carter <john.carter@...> 2005/05/06

On Fri, 6 May 2005, Hal Fulton wrote:

[#141340] Prove me Wrong! Re: RCR 303: nil should accept missing methods — John Carter <john.carter@...> 2005/05/06

On Fri, 6 May 2005, Alexey Verkhovsky wrote:

[#141349] What sound does no duck make? — John Carter <john.carter@...>

Imagine a flock of ducks in the sky. Listen.

13 messages 2005/05/06

[#141368] Re: compiler error: argument of type "VALUE *" is incompatible with parameter of type "VALUE" — me2faster@...

On May 5, 2005, at 2:44 PM, me2faster@excite.com wrote:

10 messages 2005/05/06

[#141529] [NITRO] - Mr. George Moschovitis applies Censorship on Public Project Forum — Ilias Lazaridis <ilias@...>

To understand further the _real_ difference between Nitro/Og and

25 messages 2005/05/07

[#141530] [NITRO] - Mr. Moschovitis Revolutionary Redefinition of an Open Source Project — Ilias Lazaridis <ilias@...>

George Moschovitis wrote

15 messages 2005/05/07

[#141576] HighLine 0.4.0 — James Edward Gray II <james@...>

HighLine 0.4.0 Released

29 messages 2005/05/07
[#141616] Re: HighLine 0.4.0 — "Vincent Foley" <vfoley@...> 2005/05/07

Hello James,

[#141618] Re: HighLine 0.4.0 — James Edward Gray II <james@...> 2005/05/07

On May 7, 2005, at 4:19 PM, Vincent Foley wrote:

[#141598] Vacation - email me when Ilias is gone or people FINALLY stop responding to him — Ryan Davis <ryand-ruby@...>

The signal:noise ratio on this list is terrible. I'm taking a

12 messages 2005/05/07
[#141647] Re: Vacation - email me when I. is gone or people FINALLY stop responding to him — Bertram Scharpf <lists@...> 2005/05/08

Hi,

[#141615] - Sterile Classes / Sterile Meta Classes — Ilias Lazaridis <ilias@...>

Another suggestion for the "Ruby Singleton Classes" or "Exclusive Classes":

72 messages 2005/05/07
[#141681] Re: [ETYMOLOGY] - Sterile Classes / Sterile Meta Classes — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2005/05/08

In message "Re: [ETYMOLOGY] - Sterile Classes / Sterile Meta Classes"

[#141709] Re: [ETYMOLOGY] - Sterile Classes / Sterile Meta Classes — Carlos <angus@...> 2005/05/08

[Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@ruby-lang.org>, 2005-05-08 17.13 CEST]

[#141710] Re: [ETYMOLOGY] - Sterile Classes / Sterile Meta Classes — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...> 2005/05/08

Carlos wrote:

[#141715] Re: [ETYMOLOGY] - Sterile Classes / Sterile Meta Classes — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2005/05/08

Hi,

[#141719] Re: [ETYMOLOGY] - Sterile Classes / Sterile Meta Classes — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2005/05/08

Hi --

[#141748] Re: [ETYMOLOGY] - Sterile Classes / Sterile Meta Classes — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2005/05/08

Hi,

[#141810] Re: [ETYMOLOGY] - Sterile Classes / Sterile Meta Classes — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2005/05/09

Hi,

[#141655] No Thing Here vs Uninitialized and RCR 303 — Cyent <cyent@...>

I'm observing a general trend in the responses to RCR 303.

26 messages 2005/05/08
[#141745] Re: No Thing Here vs Uninitialized and RCR 303 — Lionel Thiry <lthiryidontwantspam@...> 2005/05/08

Cyent a 馗rit :

[#141746] Re: No Thing Here vs Uninitialized and RCR 303 — Bill Atkins <batkins57@...> 2005/05/08

This isn't about changing programming habits. Having nil return nil

[#141707] Singleton class terminology — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...>

Just expressing my opinion here.

16 messages 2005/05/08

[#141776] Stats comp.lang.ruby (last 7 days) — Balwinder Singh Dheeman <bsd.SANSPAM@...>

Stats comp.lang.ruby (last 7 days)

15 messages 2005/05/09

[#141875] How to extract texts from html source? — "Sam Kong" <sam.s.kong@...>

Hi, all!

14 messages 2005/05/09

[#141900] Still umlauts — Bertram Scharpf <lists@...>

Hi,

8 messages 2005/05/09
[#142448] Re: Still umlauts — "Josef 'Jupp' SCHUGT" <jupp@...> 2005/05/12

Hi!

[#142507] Re: Still umlauts — Bertram Scharpf <lists@...> 2005/05/13

Hi,

[#142514] Re: Still umlauts — Jonas Hartmann <Mail@...> 2005/05/13

Bertram Scharpf wrote:

[#142527] Re: Still umlauts — =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?Brian_Schr=F6der?= <ruby.brian@...> 2005/05/13

On 13/05/05, Jonas Hartmann <Mail@jonas-hartmann.com> wrote:> Bertram Scharpf wrote:> > Hi,> >> > Am Freitag, 13. Mai 2005, 04:34:00 +0900 schrieb Josef 'Jupp' SCHUGT:> >> >>At Tue, 10 May 2005 06:58:30 +0900, Bertram Scharpf wrote:> >>> >>>does this no longer work?> >>> >>You forgot to define the meaning of 'no longer works':> >>> >> - What precisely do you mean by 'it works'?> >> >> > Sorry, that was not actually elaborate. Now I think it> > never worked at all.> >> >> >>>--------------------> >>>#!/usr/bin/env ruby> >>># -*- coding: UTF-8 -*-> >>>> >>>puts $KCODE> >>>puts "蔕ヨワ゜"> >>>--------------------> >>>> >>>I tried it with Ruby 1.8.2 and 1.9, Debian Linux.> >>>What do I miss?> >> >> > In the meantime I received an answer in ruby-core and it> > seems Matz just _planned_ to implement it but didn't have> > the time yet.> >> > The problem arises when my program is run on SuSE Linux> > where the default encoding is UTF-8.> >> > A better way to test in which encoding you reside is:> >> > "テ =~ /./> > puts $&.length> >> > This gives 1 in `None' and 2 in `UTF-8'.> >> >> >>When in doubt *set* $KCODE explicitly.> >> >> > This has no influence on how the source code is read. The> > string " produces an error when `ruby -Ku' is called.> >> > Of course I should have written "\xc3\xa4" and "\xc3".> > Is this the only way to handle strings UTF-8 in ruby?> > >> > Sorry again for the noise.> >> > Bertram> >> >> > regards> jonas> >

[#141958] Redesign 2005, Round Two — why the lucky stiff <ruby-talk@...>

I'm happy to say that our little redesign team has come to accord on a

80 messages 2005/05/10
[#142020] Re: [ANN] Redesign 2005, Round Two — gabriele renzi <surrender_it@...> 2005/05/10

why the lucky stiff ha scritto:

[#142033] Re: [ANN] Redesign 2005, Round Two — Ilias Lazaridis <ilias@...> 2005/05/10

why the lucky stiff wrote:

[#142041] Re: [ANN] Redesign 2005, Round Two — Mark Hubbart <discordantus@...> 2005/05/10

On 5/10/05, Ilias Lazaridis <ilias@lazaridis.com> wrote:

[#142057] Re: [ANN] Redesign 2005, Round Two — Nikolai Weibull <mailing-lists.ruby-talk@...> 2005/05/10

Mark Hubbart, May 11:

[#142196] Re: Redesign 2005, Round Two — "Karl von Laudermann" <doodpants@...> 2005/05/11

[#142219] Re: Redesign 2005, Round Two — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2005/05/11

Hi --

[#142221] Re: Redesign 2005, Round Two — James Britt <james_b@...> 2005/05/11

David A. Black wrote:

[#142237] Re: Redesign 2005, Round Two — "Ryan Leavengood" <mrcode@...> 2005/05/11

James Britt wrote:

[#142252] Re: Redesign 2005, Round Two — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2005/05/11

Hi --

[#142267] Re: Redesign 2005, Round Two — James Britt <james_b@...> 2005/05/11

David A. Black wrote:

[#142274] Re: Redesign 2005, Round Two — "John W. Long" <ng@...> 2005/05/11

James Britt wrote:

[#142302] Re: Redesign 2005, Round Two — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2005/05/12

[#142054] String Hashing Algorithms — "Phrogz" <gavin@...>

Summary

16 messages 2005/05/10

[#142129] options parsing: required and conflict — Kirill Shutemov <k.shutemov@...>

Can I define options dependencies using OptionParser?

13 messages 2005/05/11
[#142130] Re: options parsing: required and conflict — "Robert Klemme" <bob.news@...> 2005/05/11

Kirill Shutemov wrote:

[#142133] ruby vs. java? — "Franz Hartmann" <porschefranz@...>

Hello all,

61 messages 2005/05/11
[#142136] Re: ruby vs. java? — Michael Ulm <michael.ulm@...> 2005/05/11

Franz Hartmann wrote:

[#142141] Re: ruby vs. java? — "Franz Hartmann" <porschefranz@...> 2005/05/11

Hello Michael and all of you,

[#142149] Re: ruby vs. java? — Logan Capaldo <logancapaldo@...> 2005/05/11

On 5/11/05, Franz Hartmann <porschefranz@hotmail.com> wrote:

[#142155] Re: ruby vs. java? — "Franz Hartmann" <porschefranz@...> 2005/05/11

Hello Logan,

[#142166] Re: ruby vs. java? — Ralf Mler <r_mueller@...> 2005/05/11

[#142171] Re: ruby vs. java? — "Franz Hartmann" <porschefranz@...> 2005/05/11

Ralf,

[#142176] Re: ruby vs. java? — Ralf Mler <r_mueller@...> 2005/05/11

> (physician = Arzt, physicist = Physiker) :-)))

[#142224] alternatives to ? : contruct — "John-Mason P. Shackelford" <jpshack@...>

As an alternative to:

21 messages 2005/05/11

[#142260] Re: object loops and what they return — Eric Mahurin <eric_mahurin@...>

That sure looks ugly. I don't see any advantage of this over:

33 messages 2005/05/11
[#142359] Re: {} vs begin/end [was Re: object loops and what they return] — "Robert Klemme" <bob.news@...> 2005/05/12

Brian Schrer wrote:

[#142379] Re: {} vs begin/end [was Re: object loops and what they return] — "Jim Weirich" <jim@...> 2005/05/12

[#142268] Request for advice on applying a license — Nikolai Weibull <mailing-lists.ruby-talk@...>

Hi!

14 messages 2005/05/11
[#142276] Re: [OT] Request for advice on applying a license — Ben Giddings <bg-rubytalk@...> 2005/05/11

On Wednesday 11 May 2005 18:59, Nikolai Weibull wrote:

[#142370] Re: [OT] Request for advice on applying a license — Christian Neukirchen <chneukirchen@...> 2005/05/12

Ben Giddings <bg-rubytalk@infofiend.com> writes:

[#142342] Go through directories recursively — Jens Riedel <JensRie@...>

Hello,

17 messages 2005/05/12

[#142378] Amazing Mazes (#31) — Ruby Quiz <james@...>

Wow, these solutions are great fun to play with. I think next week's quiz needs

16 messages 2005/05/12

[#142404] We need a comprehensive test suite — Daniel Berger <djberge@...>

All,

12 messages 2005/05/12

[#142462] Get back data from a child (with exec) — Lawrence Oluyede <raims@...>

13 messages 2005/05/12

[#142620] ruby in WinXP as an automation tool — "kevin.gc@..." <kevin.gc@...>

Can anyone tell me if it can be done?

19 messages 2005/05/14

[#142671] infinite number of singleton_classes — Lionel Thiry <lthiryidontwantspam@...>

Hello!

37 messages 2005/05/15
[#142710] Re: infinite number of singleton_classes — Ara.T.Howard@... 2005/05/15

On Sun, 15 May 2005, Lionel Thiry wrote:

[#142745] Re: infinite number of singleton_classes — Lionel Thiry <lthiryidontwantspam@...> 2005/05/15

Ara.T.Howard@noaa.gov a 馗rit :

[#142746] Re: infinite number of singleton_classes — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...> 2005/05/15

Lionel Thiry wrote:

[#142711] Re: infinite number of singleton_classes — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2005/05/15

Hi --

[#142806] IRB, Mac OS X, command-line require via "-r" and Bus Errors — "James Adam" <james.adam@...>

Hey All,

22 messages 2005/05/16

[#142808] Ruby Weekly News 2nd - 15th May 2005 — timsuth@... (Tim Sutherland)

http://www.rubyweeklynews.org/20050515.html

15 messages 2005/05/16
[#143444] Array.=== Bug, Rails Bug, or brain failure? — Markus <markus@...> 2005/05/23

I've got some rails code that is failing in a very strange way. It is

[#143447] Re: Array.=== Bug, Rails Bug, or brain failure? — Jamis Buck <jamis@37signals.com> 2005/05/23

Markus,

[#143449] Re: Array.=== Bug, Rails Bug, or brain failure? — Markus <markus@...> 2005/05/23

[#142894] Google API, Soap and windows XP — ruby talk <rubytalk@...>

Hello,I am playing with the google api and soap. I have the newest versionof soap and i think ruby 1.8. I created my code on a laptop withmandrake 10.2 with the same version of ruby and soap. On my laptop itworks fine. On my windows computer it give me an error."F:\Documents and Settings\iv\Desktop\googlerip>ruby googled.rbmonkey filetype:pdfLoading compatibility library...c:/ruby/lib/ruby/1.8/xsd/datatypes.rb:172:in `_set': {http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema}string: cannot accept '<b>...</b> Tibetan year of the <b>monkey</b>. These instructions are traditionally given <b>...</b><br> thus will give the rare ΓÇÖ<b>Monkey</b>-Year-TeachingsΓÇÖ after the inauguration in <b>...</b>'. (XSD::ValueSpaceError) from c:/ruby/lib/ruby/1.8/xsd/datatypes.rb:114:in `set' from c:/ruby/lib/ruby/1.8/soap/encodingstyle/soapHandler.rb:453:in `decode_textbuf' from c:/ruby/lib/ruby/1.8/soap/encodingstyle/soapHandler.rb:214:in `decode_tag_end' from c:/ruby/lib/ruby/1.8/soap/parser.rb:185:in `decode_tag_end' from c:/ruby/lib/ruby/1.8/soap/parser.rb:146:in `end_element' from c:/ruby/lib/ruby/1.8/xsd/xmlparser/parser.rb:75:in `end_element' from c:/ruby/lib/ruby/1.8/xsd/xmlparser/xmlparser.rb:36:in `do_parse' from c:/ruby/lib/ruby/1.8/xsd/xmlparser/xmlparser.rb:31:in `parse' ... 7 levels... from (eval):2:in `doGoogleSearch' from googled.rb:16 from googled.rb:15:in `each' from googled.rb:15"

2 messages 2005/05/17

[#142901] Help regarding def wrapper — Nikolai Weibull <mailing-lists.ruby-talk@...>

I窶囘 like to have a def that I can scope in one go, i.e.,

17 messages 2005/05/17

[#143041] Compiling MySQL-Ruby on Tiger — "pat allan" <pat.allan@...>

Hi all

21 messages 2005/05/18

[#143087] (newbie Q) opposite of inspect for strings — "Basile Starynkevitch [news]" <basile-news@...>

14 messages 2005/05/18

[#143225] Re: Multiple return and parallel assignement — Eric Mahurin <eric_mahurin@...>

25 messages 2005/05/20

[#143229] Web services and Ruby — Luke Kanies <luke@...>

Hi all,

17 messages 2005/05/20

[#143252] HighLine 0.6.0 -- Now with menus! — James Edward Gray II <james@...>

HighLine 0.6.0 Released

18 messages 2005/05/20

[#143305] join not in Enumerable — Logan Capaldo <logancapaldo@...>

Just a few minutes ago I was playing with irb as I am wont to do, and

14 messages 2005/05/21

[#143328] Vim's Ruby indenting — "Vincent Foley" <vfoley@...>

Hi to all the vim users,

17 messages 2005/05/22

[#143337] Uniform vector class, inheriting from Array: How to make sure that methods return a Vector and not an Array? — Thomas <sanobast-2005a@...>

Hi folks,

8 messages 2005/05/22
[#143342] Re: Uniform vector class, inheriting from Array: How to make sure that methods return a Vector and not an Array? — Brian Schrer <ruby.brian@...> 2005/05/22

On 22/05/05, Thomas <sanobast-2005a@yahoo.de> wrote:

[#143366] Stats comp.lang.ruby (last 7 days) — Balwinder Singh Dheeman <bsd.SANSPAM@...>

Stats comp.lang.ruby (last 7 days)

11 messages 2005/05/23

[#143375] sciTe editor IRB window getting double characters — "soxinbox" <faker@...>

Has any one had a problem with the latest release of Ruby and the included

10 messages 2005/05/23

[#143515] if __FILE_ == $0 executed twice — Han Holl <han.holl@...>

Hello,

21 messages 2005/05/24

[#143550] new article — pat eyler <pat.eyler@...>

Sorry for posting about my own article, but I'm interested in feedback,

24 messages 2005/05/24

[#143655] A different perspective on Ruby. — ES <ruby-ml@...>

47 messages 2005/05/26
[#143681] Re: A different perspective on Ruby. — "gsinclair@..." <gsinclair@...> 2005/05/26

ES wrote:

[#143683] Re: A different perspective on Ruby. — Brian Schrer <ruby.brian@...> 2005/05/26

On 26/05/05, gsinclair@gmail.com <gsinclair@gmail.com> wrote:

[#143705] Intellisense and the psychology of typing — andrew.queisser@...

Yesterday I typed in some C++ code that called a function with two

50 messages 2005/05/26
[#143710] Re: Intellisense and the psychology of typing — Thomas Adam <thomas@...> 2005/05/26

On Fri, May 27, 2005 at 01:35:19AM +0900, andrew.queisser@hp.com wrote:

[#143716] Re: Intellisense and the psychology of typing — Lothar Scholz <mailinglists@...> 2005/05/26

Hello Thomas,

[#144032] Re: Intellisense and the psychology of typing — Richard Cole <rcole@...> 2005/05/30

Lothar Scholz wrote:

[#144040] Re: Intellisense and the psychology of typing — Austin Ziegler <halostatue@...> 2005/05/30

On 5/30/05, Richard Cole <rcole@itee.uq.edu.au> wrote:

[#144080] Re: Intellisense and the psychology of typing — Lothar Scholz <mailinglists@...> 2005/05/31

Hello Austin,

[#144088] Re: Intellisense and the psychology of typing — Austin Ziegler <halostatue@...> 2005/05/31

On 5/31/05, Lothar Scholz <mailinglists@scriptolutions.com> wrote:

[#144109] Re: Intellisense and the psychology of typing — Caleb Clausen <vikkous@...> 2005/05/31

Austin Ziegler wrote:

[#144114] Re: Intellisense and the psychology of typing — Austin Ziegler <halostatue@...> 2005/05/31

On 5/31/05, Caleb Clausen <vikkous@gmail.com> wrote:

[#144124] Re: Intellisense and the psychology of typing — Eric Mahurin <eric_mahurin@...> 2005/05/31

--- Austin Ziegler <halostatue@gmail.com> wrote:

[#143799] Plz comment — Dr Balwinder S Dheeman <bsd.SANSPAM@...>

Dear Rubiest!

22 messages 2005/05/27

[#143812] Ruby on Rails interest in comp.lang.python — Stephen Kellett <snail@...>

A heads up to the Rails folks.

14 messages 2005/05/27

[#143825] How to build an index of phrases in a phrase/sentence? — Dan Fitzpatrick <dan@...>

I am trying to build an indexing structure on some phrases. Most phrases

11 messages 2005/05/27

[#143884] preventing Object#send from dispatching to a global method? — Francis Hwang <sera@...>

Is there a way to prevent Object#send from dispatching to a global

17 messages 2005/05/28
[#143908] Re: preventing Object#send from dispatching to a global method? — Jim Weirich <jim@...> 2005/05/29

[#143975] Ruby-VTK-0.2.0 was released — Seiya Nishizawa <seiya@...>

Hi everyone,

11 messages 2005/05/30

[#143976] Stats comp.lang.ruby (last 7 days) — Balwinder Singh Dheeman <bsd.SANSPAM@...>

Stats comp.lang.ruby (last 7 days)

26 messages 2005/05/30
[#144084] Re: Stats comp.lang.ruby (last 7 days) — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2005/05/31

On Mon, 30 May 2005, Balwinder Singh Dheeman wrote:

[#144107] Re: Stats comp.lang.ruby (last 7 days) — pat eyler <pat.eyler@...> 2005/05/31

On 5/31/05, David A. Black <dblack@wobblini.net> wrote:

[#144113] Re: Stats comp.lang.ruby (last 7 days) — James Britt <james_b@...> 2005/05/31

pat eyler wrote:

[#144144] Re: Stats comp.lang.ruby (last 7 days) — Dr Balwinder S Dheeman <bsd.SANSPAM@...> 2005/05/31

On 05/31/2005 11:44 PM, James Britt wrote:

[#144145] Re: Stats comp.lang.ruby (last 7 days) — James Edward Gray II <james@...> 2005/05/31

On May 31, 2005, at 6:15 PM, Dr Balwinder S Dheeman wrote:

[#144004] creating variable with eval — "Geert Fannes" <Geert.Fannes@...>

Hello, what is the scope of a variable created inside an eval()

14 messages 2005/05/30

[#144096] parseargs-0.0.0 — "Ara.T.Howard" <Ara.T.Howard@...>

23 messages 2005/05/31
[#144170] binding, ObjectSpace._id2ref [WAS] Re: [ANN] parseargs-0.0.0 — "Zev Blut" <rubyzbibd@...> 2005/06/01

Hello,

[#144254] Re: binding, ObjectSpace._id2ref [WAS] Re: [ANN] parseargs-0.0.0 — "Ara.T.Howard" <Ara.T.Howard@...> 2005/06/01

On Wed, 1 Jun 2005, Zev Blut wrote:

[#144306] Re: binding, ObjectSpace._id2ref [WAS] Re: [ANN] parseargs-0.0.0 — "Zev Blut" <rubyzbibd@...> 2005/06/02

Hello,

Re: Representing Undirected Edges (advice, please)

From: ptkwt@... (Phil Tomson)
Date: 2005-05-08 18:49:27 UTC
List: ruby-talk #141702
In article <18E98197-BD8D-4B3A-BDF3-01D68B60DE51@refinery.com>,
Gavin Kistner  <gavin@refinery.com> wrote:
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>Summary
>==================================
>How do you represent and handle bidirectional links between items,  
>given that you will necessarily need two distinct variables for each  
>end? How then do you handle a directed traversal of those links?
>
>(Sorry for the length of this email; the concept is simple but I  
>wanted to be clear about the trouble I'm having.)
>
>
>Background
>==================================
>I got all caught up in the quiz I gave last week, researching graph/ 
>network theory. As a result, I'm writing a generic library for  
>finding paths. More on this library when I get closer to finishing.
>
>One thing that's causing me a bit of trouble is how to represent non- 
>directed edges between nodes. Let me explain the concept for those  
>not familiar with the terminology, and then the problem.
>
>A non-directed edge between nodes is a fancy way of saying "ObjectA  
>links to ObjectB, and vice versa". So while a directed edge would be:
>     ObjectA   ------------->  ObjectB        or       ObjectA    
><-------------  ObjectB
>an undirected edge is simply:
>     ObjectA   <------------>  ObjectB
>
>Edges also may have other information associated with them (such as a  
>'weight' for the edge), so I currently have them pulled out into  
>their own class:
>
>     class Edge
>         attr_accessor :start_node, :end_node, :weight
>
>         def initialize( start_node, end_node, directed=false,  
>weight=nil )
>             @start_node, @end_node, @weight, @directed = start_node,  
>end_node, weight, directed
>         end
>
>         def directed?
>             @directed
>         end
>     end
>
>To store both ends, I need two variables, and here's where the  
>trouble starts creeping in. In a directed edge it's necessary to  
>distinguish which node is the start and which is the end, but in an  
>undirected edge I want the class to be agnostic about this. So, for  
>example, I now have to redefine the == method to account for non- 
>directionality:
>
>         def ==( other_edge )
>             ( !@directed == !other_edge.directed? )
>             and
>             ( @weight == other_edge.weight )
>             and
>             (
>                 ( @start_node == other_edge.start_node && @end_node  
>== edge.end_node )
>                 or
>                 ( !@directed && @start_node == other_edge.end_node  
>&& @end_node == edge.start_node )
>             )
>         end
>

The thing that strikes me here is that you probably want to have an 
base edge class (or maybe actually a Mixin module to put it in more 
Ruby-ish terms) that would define the basic functionality of an edge and 
then have undirected and directed edge classes that derive from it.

In my experience, you either have a directed graph or an undirected graph 
- I've never run into a situation where a graph can have both directed 
and undirected edges (I suppose it's possible, and maybe that's what 
you're trying to plan for, but in my experience in working with graphs 
they're either one or another).  

Seperating your directed graphs and undirected graphs could greatly 
simplify things.



>So far I'm still staying afloat.
>
>
>The Problem
>==================================
>Any path that links a few nodes together should be able to be  
>represented by its edges. So, for example, the path from 'a' to 'd'
>     a <-----> b <-----> c  <-----> d
>is represented by the ordered list of three edges:
>     <Edge @start_node=a @end_node=b>
>     <Edge @start_node=b @end_node=c>
>     <Edge @start_node=c @end_node=d>
>
>If I want to recreate the list of nodes visited, I can just loop  
>through the edges and pick out the nodes. ... Except I can't, because  
>if these are non-directional edges, the list might look like:
>     <Edge @start_node=b @end_node=a>
>     <Edge @start_node=b @end_node=c>
>     <Edge @start_node=d @end_node=c>
>
>* I can't just 'flip' the edges while creating the path, because the  
>same graph might be crawled multiple times to create multiple paths.
>
>* I could use code to determine the correct node order (figuring out  
>which ends touch which) but that will be slightly messy and slower.  
>(Premature optimization is the root of all evil, but you gotta strive  
>for a good design at least.)
>
>* I could store both the edge list AND the node list for a path, but  
>that's not very DRY or normalized.
>
>* I could create a subclass of Edge which is a Link (since  
>essentially the problem is that I'm using undirected information to  
>represent directed information), but then I'd be duplicating  
>information. (Later changes to the weight of an edge would not be  
>reflected in the Link used in a Path.)
>
>* Perhaps I could create a Link class which references edges and  
>expresses directionality. (This thought just occurred to me.)
>
>
>  I know I've hit this problem a few times before in programming, and  
>have never been pleased with any of my solutions.
>
>Thanks for any insights/opinions! :)
>

One idea:
Graphs are often represented by hashes of lists, like so:

graph = {
 a => [b,c,d],
 b => [a,e],
 c => [a,e],
 d => [a],
 e => [b,c]
}

So, for example, a connects with nodes b,c and d.  You can find all the 
nodes that a connects to by iterating through the list of graph[a].  You 
can then traverse further down in the graph by taking every node in a's 
list and recursively iterating through all of their children.

If you use a Hash for representing the graph, you really don't need an 
Edge class.  You can then have a DirectedGraph class and an 
UndirectedGraph class each of which contains the connection hash - how 
you traverse through the hash will be a bit different depending on 
whether it's directed or not.  The hash of lists representation is simple 
and compact.

It can, however be useful to have an Edge class (for weighted edges, as 
you point out).  

Take a look at some other OO graph class libraries out there such as the 
Boost Graph library.  There are lots of them out there and different ones 
emphasize different things: some emphasize the nodes (as in the hash 
representation) while others emphasize the edges (each has it's 
advantages/disadvantages).

Phil



    

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