From: Ilias Lazaridis <ilias@...>
Date: 2005-05-05T19:34:41+09:00
Subject: Re: Ruby, Rails and now og

George Moschovitis wrote:
> Hello David,
> 
>>Basecamp, Ta-da List, and Backpack were all managing
>>our real data shortly after the first SVN check-in.
> 
> naah, you are exagerating here... You don't put real data on a project
> that you created 5 mins ago ;-)

you cannot know every use-case of every potential users.

this is "developers arrogance".

>>The same change in an OTS system is a repeating two-step approach
[...]

what you write further in your message is unbelievable.

You should really focus to setup the _project_, before going in 
comparision with mature products.

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Note to readers:

The core diffence between Rails/ActiveRecord and Nitro/Og is:

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* Rails is an active product with an active user community

http://www.rubyonrails.org/

* The project-organization looks efficient and code-level contributions 
are engouraged:

http://dev.rubyonrails.com/


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Nitro/Og is currently "vapoware".

* no active user base
* the development goes without any planning
* simple requests are not served.
* developers _code_ level contributions and not engouraged
   * no feedback from the only developer G. Moschovitis
   * There's _no_ public source repository (yes you read correct)
     * following development and synchronize own efforts is inpossible
* the nitro/og development lasts years, without any stable product.
   * it does not look that this will change

http://nitro.rubyforge.org/

I try since 2 months to apply a _simple_ evaluation case:

http://lazaridis.com/case/persist/og.html

no success

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As I'm intrested in Object Centric Development, Rails is not relevant 
for me (DataStore Centric).

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[currently I'm modifying the 0.16 version to provide automated column 
addition with sqlite3]

http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.ruby.nitro.general/204

some more threads:

http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.ruby.nitro.general

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