From: Alex the_mindstorm Popescu Date: 2005-04-28T19:53:16+09:00 Subject: Re: Ruby and IDE >-----Original Message----- >From: Steve Callaway [mailto:sjc2000_uk@yahoo.com] >Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 11:45 AM >To: ruby-talk ML >Subject: Re: Ruby and IDE > >now. The problem with Java is you just can't see the wood from >the trees, which is //not// the case with Ruby. > I will take this as a joke for the moment ;-). Even at a scale of 1:20 lines, managing 20k lines of code is not so easy. And refusing to address the problem because we find different workarounds is not a solution (my 2c). The feeling is that for my playground I will probably be able to use one of the enumerated environment. But I surely can guarantee that convincing a company to go for development with Ruby will be 'daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn' hard. cheers, --:alex |.::the_mindstorm::.| >--- Alex the_mindstorm Popescu > wrote: >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: Johan Toki Persson >> [mailto:tokikenshi@gmail.com] >> >Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 10:49 AM >> >To: ruby-talk ML >> >Subject: Re: Ruby and IDE >> > >> >We're not a craving bunch. Hacking in such a >> wonderful >> >language is good enough. :-) No seriously, I dont't >> have the >> >slightest. I guess the average rubyist are quite >> satisfied >> >with either vim or emacs. >> > >> > >> >> My current project (Java) size: aprox.2000 classes. >> I don't think this is nice manageable in a vim environment (and >> remember I've been there ;-)). >> >> I have seen this "vim or emacs is enough behavior", and I >interpret it >> much like a: "hey if you are not an elite to use vim/emacs, you have >> not the right to use xxx" (programming language for elites), >and this >> is _completely_ wrong. Imo this support is mandatory (I can give you >> lots of examples about nice technologies/ideas that remained >little - >> maybe even are dead now - because of the lack of tool support). >> >> I really believe (and I am sure almost all of you accept this ;-) ) >> that an IDE is helping a lot the development of real world projects >> and it brings a lot of efficiency to experienced developers, but is >> also helping beginners to become proficient. >> >> Again, I will ask you to forgive my vehement position and I want to >> underline that I am not writing this to start flames. >> >> [Answer to Lothar:] >> I am really enjoying Arachno and I intent to buy a license >soon (even >> if .... - this will be a personal mail ;-). >> >> I am not saying that those features are easy/hard to >support, as I am >> not an expert in programming languages and also not an IDE guru >> developer. All I know is that even if the effort is big, the reward >> will be bigger. I haven't mentioned features that are not available >> for example in Smalltalk. >> Afaik Ruby is around since 2000, so the 5 years are gone ;-). >> >> [Answer to Richard:] >> - tried that too. Unfortunately, its offerings are the same as in >> other specified tools. >> >> >> >