From: Steve Callaway Date: 2005-04-28T18:44:50+09:00 Subject: Re: Ruby and IDE Yeah, I know the syndrome. My mega app (something like 1600 Java classes) finally resolved down to about 3 embedded C objects (for things like CRC checking which weren't readily available in Ruby at the time - going to put my CRC stuff up on RubyForge sometime btw once I have removed all my idiosyncratic and/or proprietary stuff from it) and a handful of Ruby support classes and modules(maybe 15 or so) when I finally summoned up the courage to get rid of the Java bloat. Maintenance, once a nightmare, is frankly a trivial matter now. The problem with Java is you just can't see the wood from the trees, which is //not// the case with Ruby. --- Alex the_mindstorm Popescu wrote: > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Johan Toki Persson > [mailto:tokikenshi@gmail.com] > >Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 10:49 AM > >To: ruby-talk ML > >Subject: Re: Ruby and IDE > > > >We're not a craving bunch. Hacking in such a > wonderful > >language is good enough. :-) No seriously, I dont't > have the > >slightest. I guess the average rubyist are quite > satisfied > >with either vim or emacs. > > > > > > My current project (Java) size: aprox.2000 classes. > I don't think this is nice manageable in a vim > environment (and remember I've been there ;-)). > > I have seen this "vim or emacs is enough behavior", > and I interpret it much like a: "hey if you are > not an elite to use vim/emacs, you have not the > right to use xxx" (programming language for elites), > and this is _completely_ wrong. Imo this support is > mandatory (I can give you lots of examples about > nice technologies/ideas that remained little - maybe > even are dead now - because of the lack of tool > support). > > I really believe (and I am sure almost all of you > accept this ;-) ) that an IDE is helping a lot the > development of real world projects and it brings a > lot of efficiency to experienced developers, but > is also helping beginners to become proficient. > > Again, I will ask you to forgive my vehement > position and I want to underline that I am not > writing > this to start flames. > > [Answer to Lothar:] > I am really enjoying Arachno and I intent to buy a > license soon (even if .... - this will be a > personal mail ;-). > > I am not saying that those features are easy/hard to > support, as I am not an expert in programming > languages and also not an IDE guru developer. All I > know is that even if the effort is big, the > reward will be bigger. I haven't mentioned features > that are not available for example in Smalltalk. > Afaik Ruby is around since 2000, so the 5 years are > gone ;-). > > [Answer to Richard:] > - tried that too. Unfortunately, its offerings are > the same as in other specified tools. > > >