From: Alex the_mindstorm Popescu Date: 2005-04-28T18:22:24+09:00 Subject: Re: Ruby and IDE >-----Original Message----- >From: Johan Toki Persson [mailto:tokikenshi@gmail.com] >Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 10:49 AM >To: ruby-talk ML >Subject: Re: Ruby and IDE > >We're not a craving bunch. Hacking in such a wonderful >language is good enough. :-) No seriously, I dont't have the >slightest. I guess the average rubyist are quite satisfied >with either vim or emacs. > > My current project (Java) size: aprox.2000 classes. I don't think this is nice manageable in a vim environment (and remember I've been there ;-)). I have seen this "vim or emacs is enough behavior", and I interpret it much like a: "hey if you are not an elite to use vim/emacs, you have not the right to use xxx" (programming language for elites), and this is _completely_ wrong. Imo this support is mandatory (I can give you lots of examples about nice technologies/ideas that remained little - maybe even are dead now - because of the lack of tool support). I really believe (and I am sure almost all of you accept this ;-) ) that an IDE is helping a lot the development of real world projects and it brings a lot of efficiency to experienced developers, but is also helping beginners to become proficient. Again, I will ask you to forgive my vehement position and I want to underline that I am not writing this to start flames. [Answer to Lothar:] I am really enjoying Arachno and I intent to buy a license soon (even if .... - this will be a personal mail ;-). I am not saying that those features are easy/hard to support, as I am not an expert in programming languages and also not an IDE guru developer. All I know is that even if the effort is big, the reward will be bigger. I haven't mentioned features that are not available for example in Smalltalk. Afaik Ruby is around since 2000, so the 5 years are gone ;-). [Answer to Richard:] - tried that too. Unfortunately, its offerings are the same as in other specified tools.