From: Ilias Lazaridis <ilias@...>
Date: 2005-04-24T22:54:32+09:00
Subject: Re: [EVALUATION] - E04 - Mr. Yukihiro Matsumoto (Ruby's Weakest Point)

Ilias Lazaridis wrote:
> [EVALUATION] - E03e - The Ruby Object Model (Summary)
> http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.lang.ruby/msg/e7ba39676c4d6f2f?hl=en 
> 
> 
> -
> 
> The above thread has shown the direct responsible for the defective "ri 
> Class" documentation:
> 
> It's the language designer, Mr. Yukihiro Matsumoto.

you see what happen, Mr. Matsumoto, if you don't lead a community?

You seem to just accept the applause and praise, without taking any 
responsibilities.

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Someone forges my identity, and pretends to be "Ilias Lazaridis", whilst 
leading astray the readers.

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To this someone:

Forging an identity is illegal - even within usenet.

please correct your action, whilst clarifying/identifying the messages 
you've posted.

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To the people which have responded to this thread:

Thank you for confirming my words:

weak puppets - unable to admit failure.

> 
> -
> 
> Mr. Matsumoto had not the decency to publically confirm this - and to 
> apologize for the caused inconvenience.
> 
> He had not the courage to say "Hey, lovely folks of ruby-talk, this guy 
> is right, with all his points - and I'm the responsible".
> 
> He had not the strength to say "Behave like analysts, like scientists - 
> and stop throwing stones to an researching individual".
> 
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> Mr. Matsumoto has silently admitted point b)
> 
> "Horizontal arrows do not represent inheritance"
> 
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> 
> He has _not_ admitted point a)
> 
> the faulty and missleading usage of the term "metaclass"
> 
> But in past, he heas clearly confirmed what is reality:
> 
> "In Ruby, the Class class is the class of all classes, no metaclass."
> http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/cgi-bin/scat.rb/ruby/ruby-talk/40537
> 
> but he uses the term "metaclass" in source-code:
> 
> "metaclass = rb_make_metaclass(rb_cObject, rb_cClass);"
> http://www.ruby-lang.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/ruby/object.c?rev=1.168
> 
> setting the foundation for many missunderstandings.
> 
> Fact is: the "exclusive class" of an ruby object is not a "metaclass".
> 
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> 
> He has not admitted point c)
> 
> An language future, which is not accessible via the standard object 
> mechanisms is not a part of its object model. It's an implementation 
> detail.
> 
> Mr. Matsumoto should have either:
>  * admitted the validity of point "c", or
>  * confirmed that his _refusal_ to make this directly accessible was a 
> failure.
> 
> btw: what he "considered abuse" is irrelevant:
> 
> http://www.ruby-talk.org/cgi-bin/scat.rb/ruby/ruby-talk/40548
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> 
> "Sorry for being a Vapoware for Long Time"
> "Too Much Ideas popping in my Brain"
> http://www.rubyist.net/~matz/slides/rc2002/mgp00026.html
> 
> This is nothing worse.
> 
> Worse is the inability to admit and the inability to accept analytic 
> input from the community.
> 
> Worse is the inability to couple the development process to the own 
> understanding processes.
> 
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> 
> I've read somewhere, that Mr. Matsumoto is working on Version 2 of ruby.
> 
> He will most possibly understand, why I have intensive doubts about ruby 
> and its future.
> 
> "Human Factor" - "Character of Designer".
> http://www.rubyist.net/~matz/slides/rc2002/mgp00018.html
> 
> Yes, this is very important.
> 
> His ability to admit failure.
> 
> His ability to apologize.
> 
> His ability to protect those in a weaker position.
> 
> But most of all:
> 
> his ability to "spiritually lead" a community, thus it becomes 
> efficient, and it does not behave publically like herd of savages in the 
> middle ages.
> 
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> 
> "Human Factor" - "Developing Community" "User Community".
> http://www.rubyist.net/~matz/slides/rc2002/mgp00018.html
> 
> I thought the "savages of comp.lang.lisp" would never be topped by 
> another community.
> 
> I was wrong.
> 
> The major/minor parts of this community are as ridiculous as inefficient.
> 
> A few positive exceptions, which act like scientists and analysts.
> 
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> 
> Ruby [context of comp.lang.ruby], the summary is:
> 
> Weak puppets with a weak leader.
> 
> But...
> 
> ...possibly I'm wrong.
> 
> And all this was just a missunderstanding.
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> 
> My subconscious has signaled yesterday that this was my last public 
> analysis.
> 
> I've not expected this would take so many years.
> 
> I'm happy.
> 
> It's so exhausting to assimilate the weaknesses and strenghts of systems 
> which have an high amount of human factors:
> 
> http://lazaridis.com/efficiency/process.html#ideal_structure
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> I will soon publish an updated version of The Ruby Object Model, which 
> will contain the "exclusive class" or "xclass":
> 
> http://lazaridis.com/case/lang/ruby
> 
> This should help evaluators to look at ruby, without getting confused 
> from this [unnecessary] insider-terminology.
> 
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> 
> Have a good time.
> 
> .
> 


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