From: Ilias Lazaridis <ilias@...>
Date: 2005-04-04T23:39:44+09:00
Subject: Re: [EVALUATION] - E03 - jamLang Evaluation Case Applied to Ruby

[...]
>>>>The Ruby Object Model does not contain reflective MetaClasses, which
>>>>would enable to apply metadata even to methods.
[...]

>>ok, there are metaclasses, which are not fully(!) reflective (as already
>>showcased due to the missing possiility to recreate the class-definition).
> 
>>[E.g. Smalltalks object model is fully reflective (classes are instances
>>of metaclasses).]
> 
> If that's the criterion I'd say that is indeed fully reflective:
[...] - (some examples)

if ruby _is_ fully reflective, than please provide the code for "class 
definition recreation"

http://lazaridis.com/case/lang/ruby.html#sayYourClassDefinition

> => [Class, Module, Object, Kernel]
> 
> In spite of that you cannot recreate a class definition because you cannot
> extract method bodies from the meta data.  All you get is method names via
> #instance_methods and their arity.  Does Smalltalk provide more?

yes.

I've quickly found this here, which expresses the relevant points:

http://www.zenspider.com/Languages/Smalltalk/VsJava.html

[but please let's close this subthread, as I move out of topic and out 
of time.]

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