From: Tim Ferrell Date: 2005-02-16T05:44:12+09:00 Subject: Re: [EVALUATION] - E01: The Java Failure - May Ruby Helps? What might also help ... you will be in a better position to ask good questions if you familiarize yourself with the language at hand first... yes, this would require more time and effort on your part than just asking "blind" questions or submitting a (vague) list of requirements for comment, but others will usually be more open to help if they can see more effort on the part of the one asking... That being said, I would look at this differently if I were in your position. Rather than searching for a language that "does it all" (or 70%, as you said) I would look for a language that is capable enough to meet the requirements, but moreover, something that truly makes life as a developer more productive and less stressful, you know? That is the kind of language I would want to base a framework on - even if I had to develop it myself. Of course, that really explains why I am a Ruby developer in the first place... I don't like having to wrestle with a language to make it behave :-) Cheers ... and good luck on your search. Tim Ilias Lazaridis wrote: > Thomas E Enebo wrote: > >> On Wed, 16 Feb 2005, Ilias Lazaridis defenestrated me: >> >>> Thomas E Enebo wrote: >>> >>>> On Wed, 16 Feb 2005, Ilias Lazaridis defenestrated me: >>>> >>>>> I simply need to produce software. >>>>> >>>>> Just Download & start? >>>> >>>> >>>> What Java bundles exist where you just download and start? Especially >>>> that does a fraction of what you are talking about. Many frameworks >>>> and >>>> tools exist in Java, but they all require research and I cannot think >>>> of a single-stop solution. Enterprise highly scalable stuff exists >>>> for >>>> java, but that stuff is never really simple software production. It >>>> also >>>> always seems to need plenty of plumbing. >>> >>> >>> One reason for leaving JAVA. >> >> >> >> Fair enough. As a follow up question...Have you found any technology >> suite that has fullfilled your requirements list? > > > not yet. > > I'm evaluating some python stuff, but the reaction of the community on a > simple questionaire has distracted me very mouch. > > [EVALUATION] - E02 - Support for MinGW Open Source Compiler > http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/msg/f5cd74aa26617f17 > > - > > If i find e.g. 70% fo my requirements fulfilled within ruby, I would > possibly start to implement the remaining 30%. > > But possibly I should split my requirements down into smaller chunks, > and ask step by step. > >> -Tom > > > .. >