From: Austin Ziegler Date: 2005-02-16T05:40:55+09:00 Subject: Re: [EVALUATION] - E01: The Java Failure - May Ruby Helps? On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 05:24:52 +0900, Ilias Lazaridis wrote: > Dick Davies wrote: > > * Ilias Lazaridis [0250 19:50]: > >>Wes Moxam wrote: > >>>On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 04:14:52 +0900, Ilias Lazaridis > >>>wrote: > >>> > >>>[snip] > >>>This guy has been asking these sorts of questions on various > >>>comp.lang.* lists. He's been banned from several. I hate to be an ass, > >>>but I really think this thread is a waste of time. > >> > >>Mr. Moxam, > >> > >>is it possible that i've invested all this time to do this research and > >>to write everything down on my website, just for having some fun on some > >>forums? > > > > Yes, yes it is. > > > > You've got an awful lot of detailed information from some very helpful and > > patient people, so maybe it's time to actually try the language now? > no, it not the time. > > Please avoid further off-topic replies. Okay. I'm through. If you're not going to go through and actually look at the *extensive* list of technologies in Ruby that I provided you and actually *try* the language, then you're not worth any more of my time. Your requirements are vague, unrealistic, and indicative of someone not familiar with software development. There's no silver bullet for you in Ruby. Yes, you will have to do some -- likely quite a bit -- work. But you'll enjoy writing your software more in Ruby than probably in any other language. People who are developing a web application are typically not developing a GUI or CLI application at the same time. If they are, then they're developing a service (perhaps a "web service") and different front ends for said service (e.g., they develop the business logic in the service and then provide GUI, WUI, and CLI interfaces to it). It's how I'll be doing Bug Traction when I get around to it again. When I get PDF::Writer ready for release, I'll put a web front-end around part of it, too. I choose various technologies based on the needs that I have. Ruwiki solves some of those. PDF::Writer solves others. I have a half-dozen *other* projects that I have written, and various little utilities, too, that solve other problems. People use the things that I write in surprising ways -- I was quite surprised to hear that Hieraki uses Text::Format (and to whomever was talking to me about that last month, I'm not ignoring Text::Format changes that I've promised, either -- I'm just very much overloaded right now). It *is* time for you to sit down and see if any of the pieces mentioned will work well enough for you to fill in the gaps for your stated needs. It's not *our* responsibility to provide them to you on a silver platter wrapped in gold foil with a satin bow. The individual technologies exist out there. They haven't been made into the fictive jamStack because it turns out that no one else has needed them. If you need them, *you* figure out which of those dozen or so projects I mentioned yesterday fit your needs. Until then, I'm done. You aren't providing specifics and you're being quite silly in your expectations. It's time for you to do some work for yourself. -austin -- Austin Ziegler * halostatue@gmail.com * Alternate: austin@halostatue.ca