From: Michael W Thelen <thelenm@...>
Date: 2004-12-25T01:45:29+09:00
Subject: Re: OT: vi useability question

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Fredrik Jagenheim wrote:
> I've decided to try and switch out of curiosity but hit the first
> hurdle when I realized that vim is optimized for qwerty.
> 
> I've tried to find mappings for vim in dvoraks mode, but the only site
> that seems to have it seems down; so I wonder how the rest of you
> manage?
 >
> Still use hjkl and can manage that they're not next to each other anymore?
> Remapped them to dhtn? What did you use for 'delete' then?
> Remap entire keyboard to qwerty for command mode? (so 'dw' would be 'e,')
> Switched editor?

No special mappings whatsoever.  That path leads to madness.  It's quite 
confusing for a while using the same old characters for Vim commands, 
but at different locations on the keyboard.  But it was confusing when 
you started using Vim on Qwerty, too.  You'll get the hang of it.

Actually, hjkl are still in not-too-difficult positions.  J and K are 
where C and V are in Qwerty (still next to each other, J still on the 
left).  H and L are where J and P are in Qwerty (H still on the left, L 
still on the right).  Overall the change is not too bad.

I actually did switch to Emacs about five months ago... which was two 
months after switching to Dvorak.  Talk about confusing.  Switching to 
Dvorak basically necessitated relearning Vim, and then I switched to 
Emacs!  And now I think I've used Emacs for long enough; I'm switching 
back to Vim.  Call me a masochist.  :-)

> //F, not doing very well in dvoraks7min, yet.

Don't worry, it will come.  The first month is particularly frustrating. 
  For me, it's been seven months since beginning to use Dvorak, and I 
now type at least as fast as I did with Qwerty (70-80 WPM).  Probably 
faster, and definitely more comfortable.  I'd never go back.

I feel like making some reference to Ruby to stay on-topic, but I can't 
think of anything to say.  (Ruby rules.)

-- 
Michael W Thelen
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