From: Underbar Underbar Date: 2004-10-31T14:41:47+09:00 Subject: mmmmmmmmmmm ruby-talk I've been thinking to myself, and what someone else said, put together what a couple people said to come out to an all out systematic thinking process which made me uneasy about the people currently subscribed on Ruby-Talk. When you do ignore someone, you certainly don't announce it. Its provoking and its like beating an animal with a stick. Its not just going to sit there and let you beat it with the stick. About what Austin said earlier about waiting 15 min(which isn't enough time for even God to have levels of temperature decrease), and then it occurred to me late at night when I was about to go to sleep. The people who responded were just as childish as I was making the responses. I forgive the ones who didn't read the conversation from the start.. and maybe a couple others just because they are Chad's buddy. I can't expect a friend let some other friend get beat up just because he was wrong, its just not compatible with human logic. From a perpective long in computers, someone is more likely to argue("troll") back to the other person if there are no restrictions like on IRC. It seems to be some type of want to humiliate someone in front of more people. The people who talk bad about me on this mailing list.. could get a few pointers from irc(not efnet though ;)) Just because I put no emotion in my emails don't make it a violent attack, All the time except ones mentioned are pure statements/facts. Anyway, to the ones who are the real aggitators(you know who you are), the ones who like provoking people to make them sound even worse, I can certainly make ruby-talk a living hell for you if you keep iit up. As I said the internet was secure, I can make ruby-talk a bloody mess if you don't want to comply. About my emails I usually send, they are always written without emotion. I don't care how you interpret them, but thats exactly how I write them. there was a few email which I sent out because I was mad at something else, like the linux bitch one. Also, the one about sean, and lothar was kinda funny.. because people talk behind everyones back in #ruby-lang on freenode about people on the mailing list. In channel and via privmsg. Not only me but some of the members who have been on the list longer. Yah, really childish I know, I guess its just a type of wasting time, I didn't mean for it to come onto the mailing list. One other definition you(not everyone) people need to learn about is a definition called arguing. Its not trolling, and its certainly not vile. I know CS people are usually poor at english so they make up words like trolling, etc etc. It gets old, it got old 15 years ago, and its still old. Learn how other people speak, not everyone has the same attitude as *you*, and certainly everybody is different. Not only by cultural differences in the language, but by the usages of other languages which people get used to in thier own way. I don't wish for anyone to dislike one just because thier attitude. And this time it started just because someone wanted to make a small fib which turned out to be a big thread of a perfect waste of time. So you will know what the right thing(tm) is when you get the time to actually examine people from a distance instead of trying to beat the dog with a stick and expect it not to do anything. Sure, I agree with a certain person waiting to send email, however I also wouldn't like to be called wrong especially when I might be right. As said before, attitude has nothign to do with stone cold facts. Facts are facts, no matter the person bringing them out. Not trying to blame or target anyone in this email, so I won't mention any names. Getting along is nice sure, arguments are also considered *fun* to some peopel no matter how pointless they might be. I'l continue to work on Ruby code, and hopefully I can release a great big CMS to get people started on bigger and better stuff(and fluff). I even thought just about messing with usemod+the blitz scanner/checker for fun. Sometimes it makes me think people just don't like other people who don't immediately contribute back and earn money off languages. Sure, I earn an efficient amount of money off programming with ruby, and I certainly have to eat. Not everyone has the luxury to share thier knowledge with others, I wish I had time to share all of mine(the ethical knowledge). I'll be making very good contributions to the ruby community. I've said this in the past, and I'll say it again, "I don't give a damn about what people think." Then why this email? I don't want any newcommers(or regs) to think certain people are bad just because a few other regulars think of a person as bad. One it gives you and me a bad image later on, and two its upsetting by 1. replying to the mailing list(which I'm at fault too) and 2. its just a BWOT(big waste of time). Well, time to earn more food and a roof over head. D. R. --- For the Republic! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com