From: "trans.  (T. Onoma)" <transami@...>
Date: 2004-10-10T23:56:43+09:00
Subject: Re: ANN: Free-form-operators patch

Well said Jamis, thanks.

T.


On Sunday 10 October 2004 10:42 am, Jamis Buck wrote:
| David, that's a little harsh. Tom has pushed his suby-muse list in a
| very non-aggressive way, trying to get interested readers to the list.
| (It's a great list, BTW. Low volume due to low membership right now, but
| the discussions have included fascinating dissertations on AOP and
| prototype-based languages. Great stuff.) People are obviously interested
| in discussing changes to the Ruby language itself (witness this thread).
|
| Part of the problem is--people want their ideas _heard_. And because of
| suby-muse's low volume, it is not a tempting target for many amateur
| language designers. So they post on ruby-talk and a flame-war ensues. :(
|
| Personally, I'm something of a fence-sitter in the current issue. I like
| the operators patch--goodness knows there have been times I've wanted to
| override operators in Ruby--but I've always found an acceptible (if not
| perfect) workaround. So obviously, Ruby as it is now is "sufficient."
|
| However, I think there is very little need to worry about Ruby becoming
| a "syntactic soup" as someone mentioned earlier. First of all, NONE of
| us have any real say in what goes into or stays out of Ruby. If matz
| likes an idea, he'll uses it. If he doesn't, he won't. Naturally, he
| listens to the community, but I don't think there is much risk of him
| allowing Ruby to become a "do everything, be everything" language (if
| there even is such a thing). (Forgive me, matz, if I've put too many
| words in your mouth here...)
|
| So, my recommendation is for everyone to let good enough alone. I think
| everyone with a strong opinion on the subject has stated their opinions,
| and it looks like the mudslinging is about to start. And when that
| starts, its as good of a place to stop the discussion as any. If there
| is disagreement about the value of patches to the Ruby interpreter,
| let's all just agree to disagree, please.
|
| - Jamis

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