From: "trans.  (T. Onoma)" <transami@...>
Date: 2004-10-10T01:50:41+09:00
Subject: Re: ANN: Free-form-operators patch

On Saturday 09 October 2004 12:10 pm, Steven Jenkins wrote:
| I agree with Hal and David. Part of what appeals to me about Ruby (or
| any other language) is identity or integrity--in essence, having a Ruby
| Way.
|
| I don't complain about it, but I find the substantial volume of traffic
| on ruby-talk comparing Ruby to this or that language, or discussing how
| to make Ruby more like this or that, tiresome. I read ruby-talk to
| become more expressive and powerful in (this) Ruby, and I really don't
| care how it stacks up in a Consumer Reports-style feature comparison.
|
| I'm especially wary of extensions to syntax. I don't mind looking up
| semantics, but I want to handle syntax without help.

Well, such things are important. Good ideas rarely (if ever) just pop out of 
thin air. Netwon himself stood on shoulders. So its important that people 
talk about such things. It helps people learn why Ruby is the way it is and 
it helps Ruby improve, and some of us just plain enjoy it! ;)

Yet, I know some people, like yourself, feel this way about ruby-talk. So I 
have tried multiple times to get a separate mailing list invigorated for this 
very purpose. But none of the major players will back it, and as long as that 
is the case it just won't fly, and these discussions _will_ continue here. I 
can only assume that the Ruby community is just to small to support the 
division of lists.

So Ruby-talk remains the avenue for these explorations, which indeed tend to 
be long and detailed by their very nature.

Sorry,
T.