[#111191] invisible Infinity — gabriele renzi <rff_rff@...>

Hi gurus and nubys,

17 messages 2004/09/01

[#111202] Ruby blog software. — Lloyd Zusman <ljz@...>

As a favor to a friend, I'm setting up a blog for her on my server.

44 messages 2004/09/01
[#111206] Re: Ruby blog software. — Jamis Buck <jgb3@...> 2004/09/01

Lloyd Zusman wrote:

[#111284] Re: Ruby blog software. — Mike Clark <mike@...> 2004/09/02

[#111287] Re: Ruby blog software. — Jamis Buck <jgb3@...> 2004/09/02

Mike Clark wrote:

[#111294] Re: Ruby blog software. — Dave Thomas <dave@...> 2004/09/02

[#111212] - EZFX Editor 0.6.0 — Richard Lyman <lymans@...>

Download:

17 messages 2004/09/01

[#111214] ruby sidebar for firefox? — djberg96@... (Daniel Berger)

Hi all,

27 messages 2004/09/01
[#111710] Firefox Ruby sidebar (Re: ruby sidebar for firefox?) — James Britt <jamesUNDERBARb@...> 2004/09/07

James Britt wrote:

[#111245] Not just $SAFE, but damn $SAFE — Aredridel <aredridel@...>

I've been toying with an IRC bot that takes input from users in channel,

20 messages 2004/09/02
[#111273] Re: Not just $SAFE, but damn $SAFE — Florian Gross <flgr@...> 2004/09/02

Aredridel wrote:

[#111277] Re: Not just $SAFE, but damn $SAFE — ts <decoux@...> 2004/09/02

>>>>> "F" == Florian Gross <flgr@ccan.de> writes:

[#111300] autochomp? — Martin DeMello <martindemello@...>

Any way to make IO.readlines chomp each line before adding it to the

33 messages 2004/09/02
[#111436] Re: autochomp? — "Robert Klemme" <bob.news@...> 2004/09/03

[#111447] Re: autochomp? — Ara.T.Howard@... 2004/09/03

On Fri, 3 Sep 2004, Robert Klemme wrote:

[#111448] Pickaxe 2 Suspense Is Killing Me — Zach Dennis <zdennis@...> 2004/09/03

I have been suffering from what appears to be an pre-PickAxe 2 Suspense

[#111364] Pickaxe 2 and rpa-base — Carl Youngblood <carl.youngblood@...>

I was just drooling in anticipation for pickaxe 2 and looking through

16 messages 2004/09/02

[#111477] Hashes and ordering — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...>

I've been wondering something today...

35 messages 2004/09/04
[#111481] Re: Hashes and ordering — Markus <markus@...> 2004/09/04

> Do people test equality of hashes very often? I, for one,

[#111483] Re: Hashes and ordering — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...> 2004/09/04

Markus wrote:

[#111488] OK... :) question about hash and array literals — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...>

It has always bothered me a little that [...] and {...} do not

31 messages 2004/09/04
[#111499] Re: OK... :) question about hash and array literals — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2004/09/04

Hi,

[#111521] Re: OK... :) question about hash and array literals — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...> 2004/09/04

Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#111576] Re: OK... :) question about hash and array literals — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2004/09/05

Hi,

[#111595] Re: OK... :) question about hash and array literals — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...> 2004/09/05

Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#111607] Re: OK... :) question about hash and array literals — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2004/09/05

Hi,

[#111610] Re: OK... :) question about hash and array literals — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...> 2004/09/05

Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#111614] Re: OK... :) question about hash and array literals — Bill Guindon <agorilla@...> 2004/09/05

On Mon, 6 Sep 2004 08:31:38 +0900, Hal Fulton <hal9000@hypermetrics.com> wrote:

[#111531] Anyone using Copland? I need feedback! — Jamis Buck <jgb3@...>

Copland (an IoC container for Ruby) is moving forward, and I *think*

13 messages 2004/09/04

[#111543] Videos of Ruby Conference — Carl Youngblood <carl.youngblood@...>

Is anyone going to be filming rubycon? I would really like to watch

51 messages 2004/09/04
[#111558] Re: Videos of Ruby Conference — Chad Fowler <chadfowler@...> 2004/09/05

On Sun, 5 Sep 2004 07:20:14 +0900, Carl Youngblood

[#111645] Re: Videos of Ruby Conference — Robert McGovern <robert.mcgovern@...> 2004/09/06

> I have a digital video camera of my own and am also planning to try to

[#111971] Re: Videos of Ruby Conference — Eric Hodel <drbrain@...7.net> 2004/09/09

Robert McGovern (robert.mcgovern@gmail.com) wrote:

[#112002] Re: Videos of Ruby Conference — Gavin Sinclair <gsinclair@...> 2004/09/09

On Thursday, September 9, 2004, 5:06:10 PM, Eric wrote:

[#112012] Re: Videos of Ruby Conference — Richard Kilmer <rich@...> 2004/09/09

We are going to have my buddy's audio mixing board, a wireless mic, and a

[#112016] Re: Videos of Ruby Conference — Chad Fowler <chadfowler@...> 2004/09/09

On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 00:08:22 +0900, Richard Kilmer <rich@infoether.com> wrote:

[#112021] Re: Videos of Ruby Conference — Richard Lyman <lymans@...> 2004/09/09

Please don't 'bittorrent-only' anything. There are those of use who

[#112025] BItTorrent: A Force for Good or Evil? (Re: Videos of Ruby Conference) — James Britt <jamesUNDERBARb@...> 2004/09/09

Richard Lyman wrote:

[#111687] Ruby-Nuby forum — Alexey Verkhovsky <alex@...>

Dear fellow ruby-talkers,

49 messages 2004/09/06
[#111714] Re: Ruby-Nuby forum — "Robert Klemme" <bob.news@...> 2004/09/07

[#111718] Re: Ruby-Nuby forum — Alexey Verkhovsky <alex@...> 2004/09/07

On Tue, 2004-09-07 at 10:05, Robert Klemme wrote:

[#111765] Re: Ruby-Nuby forum — Brian Wisti <brianwisti@...> 2004/09/07

[#111770] Re: Ruby-Nuby forum — "Bill Kelly" <billk@...> 2004/09/07

> There will always be some folks who think that all

[#111855] Re: Ruby-Nuby forum — David Ross <drossruby@...> 2004/09/08

That is a very good idea. I have a few thoughts to add

[#111757] Request for ideas: simple, useful web app — "Kirk Haines" <khaines@...>

I'm working on a much broader set of IOWA documentation, and core to this is

14 messages 2004/09/07

[#111759] Reporting errors/problem with modules part of ruby base — Dany Cayouette <danyc@...>

I am a ruby newbie and am intimitaded by posting to this newsgroup... I only made two postings related to modules included with base ruby 1.8.0 and 1.8.1 (net/imap and net/telnet). I think I did my homework in researching the behavior I observed, but never saw any replies to my postings.

11 messages 2004/09/07

[#111786] Unified type conversion framework — gabriele renzi <rff_rff@...>

Hi gurus and nubys,

13 messages 2004/09/07

[#111808] Extending ruby with crypto++ — dwerder@... (Dominik Werder)

Hello everybody,

15 messages 2004/09/07

[#111839] ruby-dev summary 24171-24235 — Minero Aoki <aamine@...>

Hi all,

13 messages 2004/09/08

[#111922] Ruby-Nuby forum — Alexey Verkhovsky <alex@...>

Hi all!

22 messages 2004/09/08

[#111972] Problem with ensuring consistency .. Finalization?? — Charles Hixson <charleshixsn@...>

I want to have a class which occasionally updates a file, but I want to

15 messages 2004/09/09

[#112096] OpenGL on MacOS X (again) — Gavin Kistner <gavin@...>

I'm trying to get Ruby/OpenGL working for just me on my MacOS X box;

13 messages 2004/09/09

[#112194] SQLite/Ruby 2.0.1 BETA — Jamis Buck <jgb3@...>

Another beta release for SQLite/Ruby is available, hard on the heels of

16 messages 2004/09/10
[#112200] Re: [ANN] SQLite/Ruby 2.0.1 BETA — Vincent Isambart <vincent.isambart@...> 2004/09/10

Hi,

[#112208] Re: [ANN] SQLite/Ruby 2.0.1 BETA — Jamis Buck <jgb3@...> 2004/09/10

Vincent Isambart wrote:

[#112195] hob x 0.2 .. blogink for ample abilities .. come into the arms of .. — why the lucky stiff <ruby-talk@...>

ok, ruby-talk. enough.

24 messages 2004/09/10

[#112229] Rails and RubyGems — Jim Menard <jimm@...>

I have two issues with installing Rails via RubyGems. I'm on Mac OS X.

12 messages 2004/09/11

[#112253] Singleton method on object via define_method? — Hal Fulton <hal9000@...>

OK, I have this variable called box.

50 messages 2004/09/11
[#112343] Re: Singleton method on object via define_method? — Martin DeMello <martindemello@...> 2004/09/12

"trans. (T. Onoma)" <transami@runbox.com> wrote:

[#112346] Re: Singleton method on object via define_method? — "trans. (T. Onoma)" <transami@...> 2004/09/12

On Sunday 12 September 2004 02:19 pm, Martin DeMello wrote:

[#112353] Re: Singleton method on object via define_method? — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2004/09/13

Hi --

[#112354] Re: Singleton method on object via define_method? — "Gavin Sinclair" <gsinclair@...> 2004/09/13

D. A. Black wrote:

[#112355] Re: Singleton method on object via define_method? — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2004/09/13

On Mon, 13 Sep 2004, Gavin Sinclair wrote:

[#112360] Re: Singleton method on object via define_method? — "Gavin Sinclair" <gsinclair@...> 2004/09/13

> On Mon, 13 Sep 2004, Gavin Sinclair wrote:

[#112382] Re: Singleton method on object via define_method? — "Robert Klemme" <bob.news@...> 2004/09/13

[#112464] Catching undefined global variable errors — "George Moschovitis" <george.moschovitis@...>

Hello everyone,

14 messages 2004/09/14

[#112506] Ruby Image — Brian Schroeder <spam0504@...>

Hello Group,

27 messages 2004/09/14
[#112511] Re: [Slightly OT] Ruby Image — James Edward Gray II <james@...> 2004/09/14

On Sep 14, 2004, at 9:04 AM, Brian Schroeder wrote:

[#112549] Programming Ruby available for pre-order — Dave Thomas <dave@...>

Folks:

37 messages 2004/09/14
[#112749] Re: [ANN] Programming Ruby available for pre-order — I did not <NOSPAM@...> 2004/09/16

On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 00:01:54 +0200, Dietmar Gack wrote:

[#112608] Ex-Perl coders: Howz it feel to convert to Ruby? — Chris <ceo@...>

I didn't even think about asking this question until now, based on a

95 messages 2004/09/15
[#112716] Re: Ex-Perl coders: Howz it feel to convert to Ruby? — ptkwt@... (Phil Tomson) 2004/09/16

In article <ER32d.2786$Qv5.1325@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com>,

[#112692] Hacking the Ruby interpreter — Tim Hunter <cyclists@...>

I've got an idea for a hack^H^H^H^H enhancement to the interpreter that I'd

12 messages 2004/09/15

[#112726] RubyGems 0.8.0 — Chad Fowler <chad@...>

Marking the 3000th download of RubyGems

13 messages 2004/09/16

[#112814] horribly impossible debugging task — "Ara.T.Howard" <Ara.T.Howard@...>

17 messages 2004/09/16

[#112815] Re: [ANN] Programming Ruby available for pre-order — Dale Martenson <dmartenson@...>

> -----Original Message-----

12 messages 2004/09/16

[#112831] Want a regular Ruby Quiz? (long) — James Edward Gray II <james@...>

I'm a fan of short, but regular programming "challenges" or "quizzes".

25 messages 2004/09/16

[#112881] Automatic class conversion / function overloading — torehalv@... (Tore Halvorsen)

Hi! Rather new to ruby, and I'm not quite sure where to look for the

18 messages 2004/09/17

[#112940] Accessing Hash elements in sorted order? — Chris <ceo@...>

Problem: I wanted to access the elements of a Hash (specifically from

14 messages 2004/09/17

[#112976] Return value of while loop. — Brian Schrer <ruby@...>

Maybe this question would be more adequate for the ruby-nuby forum ;), but

21 messages 2004/09/18

[#113026] Method improvement request .-- — Charles Hixson <charleshixsn@...>

I'm sure there must be a more idiomatic+efficient way to do this, but I

32 messages 2004/09/18

[#113055] Array#index block and rdetect — "trans. (T. Onoma)" <transami@...>

Tiny RCR suggestion:

62 messages 2004/09/19
[#113072] Re: Array#index block and rdetect — "Robert Klemme" <bob.news@...> 2004/09/19

[#113097] Re: Array#index block and rdetect — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2004/09/19

Hi,

[#113100] Re: Array#index block and rdetect — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2004/09/20

Hi --

[#113103] Re: Array#index block and rdetect — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2004/09/20

Hi,

[#113105] Re: Array#index block and rdetect — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2004/09/20

Hi --

[#113130] Re: Array#index block and rdetect — "Robert Klemme" <bob.news@...> 2004/09/20

[#113146] Re: Array#index block and rdetect — "Robert Klemme" <bob.news@...> 2004/09/20

[#113150] Re: Array#index block and rdetect — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2004/09/20

Hi --

[#113172] Re: Array#index block and rdetect — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2004/09/20

Hi,

[#113179] Re: Array#index block and rdetect — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2004/09/20

Hi --

[#113219] Re: Array#index block and rdetect — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2004/09/20

Hi,

[#113237] Re: Array#index block and rdetect — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2004/09/21

Hi --

[#113118] Re: [ANN] Vim/Ruby Configuration Files, 2004.09.20 — "Mehr, Assaph (Assaph)" <assaph@...>

10 messages 2004/09/20

[#113192] Store object in on disk / mini database — Kristian Sensen <ks@...>

Hi!

19 messages 2004/09/20
[#113207] Re: Store object in on disk / mini database — "Bill Kelly" <billk@...> 2004/09/20

From: "trans. (T. Onoma)" <transami@runbox.com>

[#113222] - install.rb hack # 42 — "Ara.T.Howard" <Ara.T.Howard@...>

18 messages 2004/09/20
[#113226] Re: [ANN] - install.rb hack # 42 — Tim Hunter <cyclists@...> 2004/09/21

Ara.T.Howard wrote:

[#113227] Re: [ANN] - install.rb hack # 42 — Ara.T.Howard@... 2004/09/21

On Tue, 21 Sep 2004, Tim Hunter wrote:

[#113233] Re: [ANN] - install.rb hack # 42 — "trans. (T. Onoma)" <transami@...> 2004/09/21

On Monday 20 September 2004 08:54 pm, Ara.T.Howard@noaa.gov wrote:

[#113328] text analyzator — "martinus" <martin.ankerl@...>

I have created a little text analyzation tool, that tries to extract

16 messages 2004/09/21

[#113347] soap4r. I just dont get it. — nkb <nkb@...>

Hi.

15 messages 2004/09/22
[#113349] Re: soap4r. I just dont get it. — "NAKAMURA, Hiroshi" <nakahiro@...> 2004/09/22

Hi,

[#113407] Regexp Arity — "trans. (T. Onoma)" <transami@...>

Just ran into a need to know how many parenthetical groupings a Regexp has.

16 messages 2004/09/22
[#113410] Re: Regexp Arity — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2004/09/22

Hi,

[#113443] Newbie: Case statement — "Graham Foster" <graham@...>

As a newbie I'm confused about the Case construct. All the

14 messages 2004/09/22

[#113479] whitespace string only — Henrik Horneber <ryco@...>

Hi!

39 messages 2004/09/23

[#113533] Design Advice: Sub-Class 'Instances' — Gavin Kistner <gavin@...>

Summary

23 messages 2004/09/23

[#113615] The Solitaire Cipher (#1) — Ruby Quiz <james@...>

The three rules of Ruby Quiz:

26 messages 2004/09/24

[#113627] Ruby Code to HTML — James Edward Gray II <james@...>

I need to HTMLify some Ruby code. Before I go make some crude

22 messages 2004/09/24

[#113648] openssl examples and docs — "Ara.T.Howard" <Ara.T.Howard@...>

13 messages 2004/09/24

[#113697] Proc / def / yield semantics (long) — Markus <markus@...>

16 messages 2004/09/25

[#113750] local_method_missing possible — "trans. (T. Onoma)" <transami@...>

13 messages 2004/09/26
[#113752] Re: local_method_missing possible — Markus <markus@...> 2004/09/26

[#113754] Re: local_method_missing possible — "trans. (T. Onoma)" <transami@...> 2004/09/26

On Saturday 25 September 2004 10:42 pm, Markus wrote:

[#113803] RPM of Ruby 1.8.x — Matt Lawrence <matt@...>

I'm trying to find rpms for the latest released version of Ruby. After I

22 messages 2004/09/26

[#113885] {newb} Each statements — STEPHEN BECKER I V <Becker004@...>

Do each statements change the thing that they are using?

14 messages 2004/09/27

[#113888] Any YARV pre-questions in RubyConf2004? — SASADA Koichi <ko1@...>

Hi,

20 messages 2004/09/27
[#113897] Re: Any YARV pre-questions in RubyConf2004? — James Britt <jamesUNDERBARb@...> 2004/09/27

SASADA Koichi wrote:

[#113923] Best name for "this method" ? — "trans. (T. Onoma)" <transami@...>

Wondering what the conscensus is on the best name for "this method". Right now

67 messages 2004/09/27
[#113930] Re: Best name for "this method" ? — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2004/09/28

Hi --

[#113994] Re: Best name for "this method" ? — "Robert Klemme" <bob.news@...> 2004/09/28

[#114003] Re: Best name for "this method" ? — Gavin Sinclair <gsinclair@...> 2004/09/28

On Tuesday, September 28, 2004, 5:49:21 PM, Robert wrote:

[#114117] Re: Best name for "this method" ? — "trans. (T. Onoma)" <transami@...> 2004/09/28

On Tuesday 28 September 2004 05:44 am, Gavin Sinclair wrote:

[#114121] Re: Best name for "this method" ? — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2004/09/28

Hi --

[#113939] Re: Best name for "this method" ? — Florian Gross <flgr@...> 2004/09/28

trans. (T. Onoma) wrote:

[#113946] irb configure options — James Edward Gray II <james@...>

Where is a good source I can learn irb configuration options from?

15 messages 2004/09/28

[#113965] Wish list for 2.0 — STEPHEN BECKER I V <Becker004@...>

In ref to http://blade.nagaokaut.ac.jp/cgi-bin/scat.rb/ruby/ruby-talk/31099

18 messages 2004/09/28
[#113968] Re: Wish list for 2.0 — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2004/09/28

Hi,

[#113971] Re: Wish list for 2.0 — STEPHEN BECKER I V <Becker004@...> 2004/09/28

does that work for end lines in the middle of a string? or a tab? I

[#113981] Re: Wish list for 2.0 — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2004/09/28

Hi,

[#113988] Re: Wish list for 2.0 — Gavin Sinclair <gsinclair@...> 2004/09/28

On Tuesday, September 28, 2004, 2:40:02 PM, Yukihiro wrote:

[#113976] RubyGarden Spam — James Britt <jamesUNDERBARb@...>

The rubygarden wiki has been over-run with spam links.

45 messages 2004/09/28
[#113980] Re: RubyGarden Spam — David Ross <drossruby@...> 2004/09/28

You should create a way to generate images with text

[#114135] Re: RubyGarden Spam — Patrick May <patrick@...> 2004/09/28

Hello,

[#115134] Re: RubyGarden Spam — Patrick May <patrick@...> 2004/10/06

Hello,

[#115183] Re: RubyGarden Spam — Chad Fowler <chadfowler@...> 2004/10/06

On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 11:53:55 +0900, Patrick May <patrick@hexane.org> wrote:

[#117646] RubyGarden Spam - One step to Solution — David Ross <dross@...> 2004/10/25

Here is one step of which many could be applied.

[#114152] Ruby gems crash on OpenBSD Sparc64 — Wes Moxam <wildwildwes@...>

Hi,

12 messages 2004/09/29

[#114197] ruby-dev summary 24298-24353 — SASADA Koichi <ko1@...>

Hi all,

29 messages 2004/09/29
[#114202] Re: ruby-dev summary 24298-24353 — "Robert Klemme" <bob.news@...> 2004/09/29

[#114436] Re: ruby-dev summary 24298-24353 — "trans. (T. Onoma)" <transami@...> 2004/09/30

> "SASADA Koichi" <ko1@atdot.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag

[#114439] Re: ruby-dev summary 24298-24353 — Yukihiro Matsumoto <matz@...> 2004/10/01

Hi,

[#114443] Re: ruby-dev summary 24298-24353 — "trans. (T. Onoma)" <transami@...> 2004/10/01

On Thursday 30 September 2004 08:17 pm, Yukihiro Matsumoto wrote:

[#114229] Purely static build of Ruby — "rcoder@..." <rcoder@...>

I'm trying to find out whether it's possible to build a completely

13 messages 2004/09/29

[#114249] FXRuby help — Jamis Buck <jgb3@...>

Having some troubles getting FXRuby to work for me. Any script that I

14 messages 2004/09/29

[#114278] Too Many Ways? — Gavin Kistner <gavin@...>

At what point do you cross over from:

99 messages 2004/09/30
[#114286] Re: Too Many Ways? — "Robert Klemme" <bob.news@...> 2004/09/30

[#114298] Re: Too Many Ways? — "David A. Black" <dblack@...> 2004/09/30

Hi --

[#114314] Re: Too Many Ways? — Gavin Kistner <gavin@...> 2004/09/30

On Sep 30, 2004, at 4:04 AM, David A. Black wrote:

[#114319] Range syntax theory — Zach Dennis <zdennis@...> 2004/09/30

I have been thinking lately about rangess and I will give you the two

[#114333] Re: Range syntax theory — gabriele renzi <rff_rff@...> 2004/09/30

Zach Dennis ha scritto:

[#114408] Re: Too Many Ways? — Brian Candler <B.Candler@...> 2004/09/30

> "Duplicate names and techniques to do the same

[#114631] Re: Too Many Ways? — Bob Sidebotham <bob@...> 2004/10/02

Brian Candler wrote:

[#114648] Re: Too Many Ways? — Gavin Sinclair <gsinclair@...> 2004/10/03

On Sunday, October 3, 2004, 3:34:57 AM, Bob wrote:

[#114652] Re: Too Many Ways? — "trans. (T. Onoma)" <transami@...> 2004/10/03

On Saturday 02 October 2004 10:12 pm, Gavin Sinclair wrote:

[#114750] Re: Too Many Ways? — Brian Candler <B.Candler@...> 2004/10/04

On Sun, Oct 03, 2004 at 12:29:39PM +0900, trans. (T. Onoma) wrote:

[#114792] Re: Too Many Ways? — "trans. (T. Onoma)" <transami@...> 2004/10/04

On Monday 04 October 2004 04:06 am, Brian Candler wrote:

[#114797] Re: Too Many Ways? — Brian Candler <B.Candler@...> 2004/10/04

On Mon, Oct 04, 2004 at 11:08:42PM +0900, trans. (T. Onoma) wrote:

[#114798] Re: Too Many Ways? — Brian Candler <B.Candler@...> 2004/10/04

On Mon, Oct 04, 2004 at 11:37:09PM +0900, Brian Candler wrote:

[#114799] Re: Too Many Ways? — "trans. (T. Onoma)" <transami@...> 2004/10/04

On Monday 04 October 2004 10:42 am, Brian Candler wrote:

[#114289] Funtionality of 'case'-Expression — Ralf Mler <r_mueller@...>

Salve!

15 messages 2004/09/30
[#114292] Re: Funtionality of 'case'-Expression — "Robert Klemme" <bob.news@...> 2004/09/30

[#114387] Proc.new(method)? (was Re: Funtionality of 'case'-Expression) — Mark Hubbart <discordantus@...> 2004/09/30

On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 16:50:03 +0900, Robert Klemme <bob.news@gmx.net> wrote:

[#114362] Re: Range syntax theory — "Mills Thomas (app1tam)" <app1tam@...>

Okay, maybe we think of it this way. '..' is a club. '...' is a club, with

23 messages 2004/09/30
[#114366] Re: Range syntax theory — Zach Dennis <zdennis@...> 2004/09/30

This has been a very fun discussion. I'll shut up now unless anyone

[#114447] Re: Range syntax theory — "Gavin Sinclair" <gsinclair@...> 2004/10/01

Zach wrote:

[#114450] Re: Range syntax theory — Zach Dennis <zdennis@...> 2004/10/01

Gavin Sinclair wrote:

[#114460] Re: Range syntax theory — "Gavin Sinclair" <gsinclair@...> 2004/10/01

Zach wrote:

[#114381] The new Pickaxe II book is a reality! — "Warren Brown" <WBrown@...>

To everyone eagerly awaiting Dave's new book:

29 messages 2004/09/30
[#114384] Re: The new Pickaxe II book is a reality! — Dave Thomas <dave@...> 2004/09/30

[#114399] Re: The new Pickaxe II book is a reality! — Kevin McConnell <kevin_mcconnell@...> 2004/09/30

> as of today

[#114402] Re: The new Pickaxe II book is a reality! — Mike Clark <mike@...> 2004/09/30

Got mine in Colorado today. I *love* the lay-flat binding. And

[#114483] Re: The new Pickaxe II book is a reality! — Victor Reyes <victor.reyes@...> 2004/10/01

PLEASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSEEEEEEEEEEEE stop enjoying it so much. I am

[#114492] Re: The new Pickaxe II book is a reality! — Florian Weber <csshsh@...> 2004/10/01

[#114392] Calling super methods — Grzegorz Dostatni <grzegorz@...>

16 messages 2004/09/30
[#114406] Re: Calling super methods — Andrew Johnson <ajohnson@...> 2004/09/30

[#114407] Re: Calling super methods — Florian Frank <flori@...> 2004/09/30

On Thu, 2004-09-30 at 22:20, Andrew Johnson wrote:

[#114398] irb: a great tool in it's own right — ptkwt@... (Phil Tomson)

irb (and a little Ruby knowledge) is great for system tasks, especially on

15 messages 2004/09/30

AOP bigger picture

From: "trans. (T. Onoma)" <transami@...>
Date: 2004-09-24 17:59:49 UTC
List: ruby-talk #113649
Here's a brief report of some my AOP research[1] related to the "bigger 
picture" of conditionally crosscutting multiple classes, methods, etc. 


I. Compile vs. Event

There appears to be two extremes in the approaches. On the one end there is 
purely static compile time weaving. On the other is fully dynamic event 
driven interception.

The first is really just 'aspect oriented' code generation. It does the job 
but cannot be changed "on-the-fly" by the executing program. This isn't 
necessarily bad, since the aspects themselves can be designed with embedded 
if-else conditions to vary execution as needed; you just won't be able to 
vary it "externally" ( unless of course you aspect your aspects and 
recompile ;)

The other end, might even called its own programming paradigm: Event Oriented 
Programming, or EOP, (also known as EAOP). Ruby actually has capabilities in 
this regard with Kernel#set_trace_func. I was playing with that today to see 
how much I could get it to do. And I actually have a near working 
implementation along the lines Florain's. Unfortunately, set_trace_func has 
two limitations that make it unattainable. 1) It does not pass the arguments 
of the current method, and 2) it does not allow the current method execution 
to be shortcutted (i.e. return without execution of a call). If these points 
could be dealt with, this would be a very powerful means of aspecting. It can 
be used to intercept almost anything: class definitions, internal interpretor 
calls, program line numbers, etc. --a very fine comb. Of course the VERY BIG 
problem with this is efficiency. It easily slows program execution down 100 
fold or more.

The optimum solution would therefore seem to be somewhere in the middle of 
these two extremes. Or at least that's how it seems. On closer inspection, 
there may not be all that much difference between the two. If static aspects 
get complex enough, the code will have many "if this then that elsif this 
else that", etc. An which point all those if-then start to wiegh on execution 
speed much like an event based solutions. But the event based solution will 
still be slower b/c static aspects won't run an if-clause for every possible 
piece of code excution like EOP will. But again with a little tweaking of the 
EOP model, such that set_trace_func is omptimized to turn on and off when 
required, that difference is further eroded, such that it would probably be 
nearly negligable.

But all this is rather academic since Ruby is quite dynamic, and as such we 
can find a nice cushy place in the middle that should suit us just fine.


II. Literal vs. Semantic

The other thing I've noticed about designs in this larger picture area is a 
division between "literal pointcuts" and "semantic setpoints". Aspect/J is 
the prime example of the former, it defines pointcuts based on explicit code 
criteria. The later, by contrast, adds another layer of abstraction --and 
then defines setpoints based on that abstraction. Method tags are a very 
simple, but good, example of this; it can also get very complex using things 
like OWL[2].

My feeling here, is again to find a cushy place in the middle.


III. Conclusion

Now on both points, when I say middle, I don't necessarily mean a single 
middle of the road tool, but rather, perhaps the ideal is to offer a few 
different levels of possible exploitation. The 'cut' is a perfect example of 
a low level solution. We just need to offer a higher level one to complement 
it. We could also possibly offer a nicer API plus optimizations to an 
improved set_trace_func for when the fine comb is needed. One upshot of this 
may be a universal "CodePoint" object for use by set_trace_func, caller_stack 
for caller, and our own AOP methods. That would make for a nice "coming 
together" of various parts of Ruby under the AOP démarche.

Likewise method tags add simple semantics, which is good to have. And we may 
go further and add an additional, more systematic, way to relate classes to 
each other in some form of Ruby dialect -- something like a simplified OWL 
via Ruby constructs.

Right now, I'm thinking that offereing a few different, but very well 
integrated techinques may be much better then trying to kill every bird with 
a single stone.

Thoughts?

T.

[1] This page was very helpful: http://aosd.net/technology/research.php
[2] OWL: http://www.w3.org/TR/owl-features/

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