From: Bill Kelly <billk@...>
Date: 2004-09-09T08:23:17+09:00
Subject: Re: Ruby-Nuby forum

From: "James Britt" <jamesUNDERBARb@neurogami.com>
> James Edward Gray II wrote:
> > 
> > My suggestion was that ALL Nuby messages be moved to Ruby Talk and gain 
> > a [NUBY] if needed.  That seems to keep Ruby Talk in the loop, as many 
> > have requested.  Plus, if anyone isn't interested in the Nuby list 
> > traffic it's trivial to filter out.
> 
> Some comments:
> 
> * It's trivial to filter out [NUBY], but as I'll be doing the filtering 
> after messages are downloaded, it's still traffic.  Might be small, 
> probably won't matter to me, but might be an issue for some.
> 
> * Essentially, doing this means that everyone subscribed to ruby-talk 
> becomes subscribed to nuby-talk. So, why not just post to ruby-talk with 
> [NUBY] in the subject, and tell nubies to filter out anything that 
> doesn't have that string?
[...]
> But, for now, I'm going to wave the buzz-word wand and declare YAGNI.

I would be inclined toward the YAGNI razor myself, except for 
all the recent assertions that there are newbies who are
too shy to post here.  So I wondered if there might be a way
to address both "no need to split ruby-talk" and "less intimidating
forum for beginners" at the same time.

So the motivation was to provide a (presumably) more comfortable
place for beginners to post, while in actuality bridging the 
Nuby list with ruby-talk--because *we* know no-one here in
ruby-talk would be anything but kind and helpful replying to
a message that originated from the Nuby list.  

Eventually beginners could transition to ruby-talk when they
felt comfortable - and, surprise!  All these familiar faces
(as it were) here in ruby-talk who have been helping to answer
questions on the beginner list all the while.

> Go grab PHPNuke or something, start a web site, and tell newbies that 
> they are invited to help build a pure-Ruby bulletin board package. Eat 
> your own dog food.  Learn by doing, make mistakes together, track what 
> issues newcomers have, document the learning process.  Archive old code 
> so that people can better understand how the thinking process evolves.

Interesting  . . . .  :)


Regards,

Bill