From: James Edward Gray II <james@...>
Date: 2004-09-08T00:17:32+09:00
Subject: Re: Ruby-Nuby forum

On Sep 7, 2004, at 9:30 AM, David A. Black wrote:

> Ultimately, if people want to start a beginners' forum, then they
> will.  Part of growing in size as a community is that we can't try to
> agree on everything before anyone does anything.
>
> I think it's too bad, though.  I've always liked the fact that we
> don't go in for layering and hierarchies of users; everyone just meets
> (electronically or otherwise) and does stuff.  I certainly believe
> that Perl experts track the beginners, monks, etc.... and I guess
> that's better than not tracking them, but I don't see that whole
> culture of stratification as necessary for Ruby or worthy of
> emulation in the first place.
>
> But, like I said, we can't all agree on every step.

While I appreciate what you're saying here, I don't find it as negative 
as you do.  Nubies aren't trying to form their own community because 
they don't want to have anything to do with the status quo.  They just 
want a comfortable place to question and learn.  For me, Ruby Talk is 
filling that need, but for others it may not be.  The desire to find 
something that does is a noble quest, I think.  Again, I'm not for any 
kind of segregation in the Ruby community, but I think you're painting 
a "Nuby Safe Place" in an unfair light.

Food for thought:  Why don't we school 12th graders in the same room at 
the same time as 1st graders?

James Edward Gray II

P.S.  And our opinion was asked for first.  Isn't that what you always 
hope for out of your children?  ;)